Should Finland thank Halla-aho?

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By Enrique Tessieri

The chairman of the True Finns, Timo Soini, said on Thursday’s election debate that we should be thankful to Jussi Halla-aho for tightening our immigration policy and, strangely enough, for the ongoing debate on Finland’s cultural diversity.

The head of the True Finns plays with fire whenever he attempts to justify the open hostility of some of his party members towards minorities. An attack on a specific group should be treated as an attack on all minorities.

The ongoing debate in Finland concerning the role of the Swedish-speaking minority is a direct outcome of the type of hatred and discord that has been fuelled by Halla-aho and his far-right ideological followers.

The obsession of some politicians against certain immigrant groups like the Somalis is disgraceful. It is even more shameful considering that they do so for short-term electoral gains.

One of the most incredible about-turns in Soini’s stand came this week when he told a group of German journalists that he stood behind the government immigration policy. After fanning the flames of xenophobia in Finland, he now states that the True Finns were bluffing all along.

Should we then thank Halla-aho as Soini suggests?

Yes, for showing the worst side of ourselves as a society.

  1. Rebelle

    “Hostility towards minorities”? “Far-right”? Opposing RKP’s politics is “hatred”?

    Wow… someone has been eating all the wrong mushrooms.

    • Enrique

      Hi Rebelle, the only type of mushrooms we eat on Migrant Tales are edible ones. Welcome to Migrant Tales.

  2. Toni

    PS has a foreigner as a candidate in election and they are not hostile to minorities. RKP is a racist party, so PS is it’s opposite being anti-racist.

  3. Jonas

    Toni, the “racist” RKP has seven candidates of an immigrant background. So, by your measure…. In any case, if you compare and contrast the two electoral programmes of the two parties, I think it will be more than obvious which party is the one more favourable to immigration (as if anyone actually needed to do that to realise that PS is not the most enthusiastic about non-white non-Finnish speakers).

  4. Toni

    RKP’s racism is towards finnish people. They don’t let immigrants to their schools and areas… but sure they want more immigrants here, give them everything they want and make friends and tell them they are the ones to thank, and we (finnish) pay it. Already in 1920’s we offered our lands to immigrants from Karelia but RKP made a deal that no immigrants to their lands. It’s the same today.

    RKP takes immigrants as long as they don’t live close to them. They make friends with them and make them use RKP markets, RKP shops and use RKP busness, with our money…

  5. Toni

    As for me or PS, we both like to have immigrants who do work here, and who pay taxes here. Same feelings seem to be in Muutos2011 party also. Nothing wrong with that kind of immigrants.

    I know a lot of immigrants at work and through my hobbies. I have helped many foreigners here. Last time was in last week. I met one man from Puerto Rico who came to Finland to get help for his back pain. I drove him around for free, paid his food and helped him many ways.

  6. JusticeDemon

    Toni

    I think you will find that the local authorities of Swedish-speaking districts in Finland have been the most receptive of resettled refugees.

    Perhaps you could tell us how many immigrants of your personal acquaintance fall into the work shy category that you so readily demonise as the vehicle for your bogeyman politics? Go on, name and shame if you can.

  7. Toni

    About RKP’s racistic history:
    http://erkkihavansi.puheenvuoro.uusisuomi.fi/15899-ruotsalaisen-kansanpuolueen-musta-rasistihistoria

    Some writings about RKP’s racism today:
    http://aamulehdenblogit.ning.com/profiles/blogs/rkp-ja-rasismi?xg_source=activity
    http://pekkamanner.puheenvuoro.uusisuomi.fi/31941-rkp-on-suomen-ainoa-rasistinen-puolue

    This is the best example: RKP don’t allow even finnish people to their schools:
    http://www.uusisuomi.fi/kotimaa/74717-rkp-shokissa-suomen-ja-ruotsinkieliset-samaan-kouluun
    And one comment on it:
    http://turjalainen.blogspot.com/2009/10/rkp-eli-rasistinen-kansanpuolue-vaatii.html

  8. JusticeDemon

    Toni

    Helsinki Rudolf Steiner School is a working example of a large bilingual school, at least on its Lehtikuusentie site, where about one-third of the students are Swedish-speaking.

    I would classify the response of Mia Grundström together with the views of people who opposed coeducational schools. She appears not to have understood the proposal. Quite why this should then become a major news item is not clear.

  9. Jonas

    I don’t have the time to read all the links just now. But, I don’t think it’s racist to suggest that you should be able to or be prepared to speak Swedish in a Swedish-speaking school. It’s important we have separate schools as we are a smaller language. Many children in the south come from bilingual homes (often Finnish dominated if one of the parents is Finnish-speaking and doesn’t speak Swedish so well or at all), and it’s important that they go to a school with a strong Swedish language so that they can master it properly. Unfortunately, bilingual solutions in education tend to turn into unilingual Finnish ones quite quickly. E.g., you will be unable to speak Swedish in the dining hall to order food, at break time Finnish will be the language used etc. This is nothing against Finnish-speakers. I am sure Finnish schools would object if it was not possible to speak Finnish at lunchtime too. It’s equally important that Finnish-speaking schools have their own facilities in Swedish-speaking majority areas. Language is an important part of education!

    There are certainly immigrants at Swedish-speaking schools! Some of them that have been there have stood as RKP candidates in elections. Obviously not so unwanted.

    Toni, you may be interested to know that all residents in Finland are subject to taxation – not just Finnish-speakers. So we all pay for government spending. It’s all put into one big pot and mixed about, you can’t tell whether your tax euros were used to pay for an immigrant’s education any more than whether I can tell whether my tax euros have benefited your healthcare.

  10. Toni

    Rudolf Steiner schools are finnish school, not RKP schools.

    In some Univerities swedish talking people have reserevd places, so they have advantage. Finnish people with better scores are left out because swedish talking people have spoken places. Some parents are not happy because of this racist system.

    I know work shy immigrants but I don’t much hang out with them because they don’t hang out in places I like to hang out. Actually I hardly know anyone (finnish) who is not working… Well, one man comes to my mind. He has been trying to get a job for two years. Now he is planning to move to Canada to look for a job.

  11. Toni

    Jonas: That news tells they had plans so that swedish talking people have their own classes in their own class rooms and finnish talking people have their own classes in their own class rooms. The kids would only hang out in the same area between classes. That was not ok for RKP. They were afraid their kids start talking finnish between the class study time…

    >There are certainly immigrants at Swedish-speaking schools! Some of them that have been there have stood as RKP candidates in elections. Obviously not so unwanted.

    Sure, 1-2 makes no harm. Especially if they come from Sweden and already can speak swedish. And their parents have jobs and pay taxes. They are wellcomed.

    >Toni, you may be interested to know that all residents in Finland are subject to taxation – not just Finnish-speakers. So we all pay for government spending.

    RKP people are rich, and the rich pay less taxes. Kokoomus and RKP have made sure of that. RKP people have less unemployment, better education possibilities (you get in to university even with lesser points). And when these immigrants get older and need care, they will not go to RKP houses for old people…?

  12. JusticeDemon

    Toni

    Helsinki Rudolf Steiner School is maintained and operated by its parents’ association in accordance with a Ministry of Education licence and the educational and administrative laws of Finland. Most of the funding comes as a standard capitation allowance paid by the local authority of the district where the student is domiciled, as is the case with all schools. The Steiner school is bilingual in precisely the sense that was proposed for a local authority school in Espoo. It has Finnish-speaking and Swedish-speaking classes arranged in streams.

    The underlying ethos is a view of education developed in Austria and Germany. Rudolf Steiner was born in what is now Croatia when it was part of the Austro-Hungarian empire.

    I’m not sure what you mean by an RKP school. RKP is a political party and, as such, a registered association. I don’t think the terms of reference of that association include maintaining schools. Nor am I even sure that the Ministry of Education would ever licence a political party to operate a school.

    I suggest you look up racism in a dictionary.

    Please do name and shame these work shy immigrants. There are several contributors here who are absolutely itching to find one. All they have managed to find so far are unemployed immigrants, but there is a world of difference between being unemployed and work shy. Unemployment shows that someone is work shy in exactly the same sense that your standard of written English shows that you didn’t do your coursework at school.

    How should the Canadian equivalent of PS regard your Finnish friend? Should they call him a work shy immigrant? Please do tell.

  13. Jonas

    Toni, there is no such thing as an RKP school. We don’t have political parties operating schools in this country – thank goodness.

    Swedish-speaking Finns are also Finns. So, there is no racism in ensuring that there are educational opportunities for persons who wish to be educated in the national language of their choice; be that Finnish or Swedish. There are indeed limited quotas reserved for people who speak Swedish for certain courses at mainly Helsinki University. In order for Swedish language services to function, there needs to be doctors and lawyers etc who speak Swedish. It is not possible to study medicine or law (to the higher level) at Åbo akademi. Note though, that you don’t have to have Swedish as your mother tongue to be eligible under the quota. Many people with Finnish as their mother tongue but that also speak a high level of Swedish also make use of the quota positions. It should also be noted that at the very least 20% of the students at Åbo akademi have Finnish as their mother tongue, and it’s become increasingly popular as a study destination for Finnish-speakers. I suspect that the proportion may be similar if not higher at Hanken.

    People who support RKP come from all sectors of the population. They are not all rich. Most are not. There is a lot more to Svenskfinland than Eira and Grankulla. I suggest you to take a trip in your car around rural parts of coastal Uusimaa or Österbotten. Or why not read the book Muukalainen Muumilaaksossa.

  14. StiflersDad

    I don’t think it’s racist to suggest that you should be able to or be prepared to speak Swedish in a Swedish-speaking school. It’s important we have separate schools as we are a smaller language.

    Replace Swedish with Afrikaans and this is EXACTLY the same argument used by white South Africans in the 1980s to retain white-only schools.

    Just playing devil’s advocate; you actually are right in that it makes sense to keep strict language criteria for entry into schools to promote a healthly minority language. Otherwise youth will default to the majority language which in Finland will obviously be finnish.

    More broadly this debate on swedish language in Finland relates to something very important, the freedom of association. This is probably the most important right to promote stable sociaties. People should be encouraged to expand their sphere of activity across cultural / ethic / religious boundaries, but they should also be allowed to retreat to a comfort zone when they so wish.

  15. Toni

    Rudolf Steiner schools are usually maintained government. Some of them are private schools and those are pseudo science schools. They teach all kind of huuhaa-stuff there. Alternative medicine, alternative religion, alternative history, karma, re-birth, etc. And Rudolf Steiner was more racist that Halla-aho.

    As RKP school I mean a city school where city has RKP as a majority in city council. Not all RKP members or cities are racist but many/some of them are. City council desides their schools system and way to operate.

    >How should the Canadian equivalent of PS regard your Finnish friend?

    I don’t know. Canada accepts only those immigrants who are useful. PS wishes Canadian way here too.

    >Please do name and shame these work shy immigrants. There are several contributors here who are absolutely itching to find one.
    I’m sorry, I still don’t understand what you mean…

    >Swedish-speaking Finns are also Finns.

    Soini and PS people are also Finns. So every Finn thinks like PS people?

    >People who support RKP come from all sectors of the population. They are not all rich

    People who support Kokoomus are not all rich, some of them are just stupid 😉

    • Enrique

      –I don’t know. Canada accepts only those immigrants who are useful. PS wishes Canadian way here too.

      Do you really think so, Toni? Canada is the home of multiculturalism as a social policy. That is where is began in the 1980s. If you look at the Nuiva manifest, one of the first things it says is that Finland should stop following Sweden’s multiculturalism (sic!).

  16. JusticeDemon

    Toni

    Nope, don’t recognise Helsinki Rudolf Steiner School from that description. Perhaps this is your prejudices talking again? HRSK also has a licence from the Ministry of Education and a total enrolment of about 1,000 students.

    Anyway, the point remains that it is a genuinely bilingual school.

    Your characterisation of the Finnish school system is odd. If city councils decide the school system and mode of operation, then please explain the role of the Ministry of Education as the licensing authority and the supervisory function of Regional State Administrative Agencies. Or could it be that you are as ill-informed on this as on many other subjects?

    You said that your Finnish friend intended to go to Canada as a jobseeker. Applying your own logic to this, your Finnish friend is a work shy parasite. As you said:

    I’m sorry, I still don’t understand what you mean…

    The reason for this is that I mean precisely what you meant by your own previous remarks.

    This is the point where most contributors of your ilk pretend to get offended.

  17. Toni

    Enrique,
    Canada selects it’s immigrants. Denmark is thinking about the same system.

    Denmark to Make Tighter its Immigration Policy
    http://denmarkimmigration.blogspot.com/2010/11/denmark-to-make-tighter-its-immigration.html

    Again, Immigrants are welcomed if they are useful. That’s what Canada and Australia use. Sweden doesn’t. We don’t want to follow Swedish immigration policy. We don’t want to do same mistakes as Sweden has done.

    When Israel tennis team comes to Finland, I hope they can play like everyone else, but not like what happened in Sweden:

    Fear of Muslim riots creating an unsafe atmosphere lead to the Sweden vs Israel Davis cup match being held behind closed doors
    http://ironicsurrealism.blogivists.com/2009/03/07/malmo-sweden-fear-of-muslim-riots-creating-an-unsafe-atmosphere-lead-to-the-sweden-vs-israel-davis-cup-match-being-held-behind-closed-doors/

    Sweden-Israel Davis Cup to go ahead without fans
    http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2009/02/24/2471795-sweden-israel-davis-cup-to-go-ahead-without-fans

    What Immigration Has Done to Sweden
    http://www.eutimes.net/2009/03/what-immigration-has-done-to-sweden/

    • Enrique

      Thank you for the links but there is something fishy here. There is no problem about selecting immigrants to fill jobs in a country. However, how you helped them adapt to that society is where there are big differences. You cannot compare Denmark with Canada. Denmark has a very restrictive immigration policy while Canada has a very open one for those that move there.

      I disagree with what you state about Sweden or the case the article attempts to make. I did some checking on the “EU Times” and bingo! They answered themselves what kind of a paper they are: “A few years ago, the extreme leftist Guardian newspaper called Sweden the most successful society the world has ever known. But Sweden today is being transformed by a large influx of immigrants from the Middle East.”

      I think most sensible people would flatly disagree with this adjective to describe the Guardian.

  18. Toni

    >You said that your Finnish friend intended to go to Canada as a jobseeker. Applying your own logic to this, your Finnish friend is a work shy parasite.

    No he is not. You don’t understand my logic. He is trying to find a job. Some immigrants don’t try. Between trying or not trying there is a big difference.

    Like I said, Helsinki Rudolf Steiner School is finnish school.
    I was in city high school (lukio) that was art oriented and that was city policy. City council decides the orientation, and if they need to limit the students somehow. Some schools have orientation for sports some for languages.

  19. JusticeDemon

    Toni

    All countries select their immigrants. This includes Finland. Take a look at section 2 of the Aliens Act and stop talking nonsense.

    The South African national rugby team and other sporting representatives attracted comparable opposition in the UK. Wikipedia notes the following in relation to the 1969 Springbok tour to Britain and Ireland:

    The Springboks lost the Test matches against England and Scotland, drawing the one against Ireland. Throughout the tour however, large anti-apartheid demonstrations were a feature, and many matches had to be played behind barbed wire fences.

    This was because of (a) Moslem immigration or (b) the policies of apartheid South Africa. Please select one answer only.

    Now you are claiming that “some immigrants” do not try to find work. These are the immigrants that we want you to name and shame. So far you have failed to do so. The evidence for this claim is already very scarce, as refusing work or training is grounds for reducing the benefits of a claimant. No decisions of this kind have come to light, so if such refusals are widespread, then there must be a very large number of lawbreaking officials working at local employment offices.

    I put it to you that you cannot identify even one work shy immigrant [anticipating the usual far-fetched interpretation of a translation error in KHO: 2009-T-2457].

    HRSK is certainly a Finnish school. It’s a Finnish school with over 300 Swedish-speaking students and an entire Swedish-speaking luokkasarja. There are also some native and otherwise advanced level Swedish speakers in the Finnish-speaking stream who are excused from mandatory Swedish and take some of their courses in Swedish-speaking groups. This is an example of the kind of school that has been mooted for Espoo.

    I think it’s hugely funny that you have forgotten what you were originally arguing for in relation to Mia Grundström. Is it duck season or wabbit season?

  20. Toni

    >You cannot compare Denmark with Canada. Denmark has a very restrictive immigration policy while Canada has a very open one for those that move there.

    I understand Canada has more restricted immigration policy. President Ahtisaari and Soininvaara from Vihreät party want our policy to be more like in Canada. And Denmark copied their policy from Canada. This is what Soininvaara tells:

    “Kanada ottaa maahanmuuttajia niin paljon kuin niitä tulee, tosin vain koulutettuja.”
    http://www.soininvaara.fi/2007/08/30/kanadan-valikoiva-maahanmuuttopolitiikka/

    >All countries select their immigrants. This includes Finland.

    Yes, but with what criteria? Canada takes only those, who are educated.

    >This was because of (a) Moslem immigration or (b) the policies of apartheid South Africa. Please select one answer only.

    I’d say B, but I don’t understand why you brought this up?

    >Now you are claiming that “some immigrants” do not try to find work. These are the immigrants that we want you to name and shame.

    Usually those, who have no education or can’t read and write, have difficulties on finding a job. That is why we should allow only those who are educated and can read, Canada way.
    It is commonly known that Somalis and Iraqis are on top of the list when listing the “not much use for Finland” immigrants.

    >I think it’s hugely funny that you have forgotten what you were originally arguing for in relation to Mia Grundström.

    Yes, she doesn’t want finns to same school with RKP people… And I was making a point that RKP is clearly rasist party, perhaps more than PS.

  21. JusticeDemon

    Toni

    Finland’s detailed immigration criteria are mainly set out in chapter 4 of the Aliens Act.

    Canada came third in the 2009 world ranking list for receiving humanitarian immigrants. It resettled nearly 150,000 refugees between 2002 and 2006 (a ratio of roughly one refugee per 1,000 citizens annually, which is at least 6 times higher than Finland). It has given shelter to more than 800,000 displaced persons since 1945. Education does not arise as a factor governing these decisions (nor does it seem to play much of a role in formulating your opinions).

    Let’s see if you can spot the parallel: the demonstrations concerning Swedish sporting relations with Israel are due to (a) Moslem immigration or (b) the treatment of Palestinians in Israel. Please select one answer only, in the same way as before and without overt prejudice.

    Usually those, who have no education or can’t read and write, have difficulties on finding a job.

    That is not the point. Stop changing the subject. You specifically claimed that “some” immigrants are work shy. I am calling you on that specific claim, which you cannot substantiate as it was based entirely on prejudice. You cannot identify a single immigrant who fits the description of work shy. Indeed if a person is unqualified for any work at all (deaf, dumb, blind and quadriplegic?), then there is no way that the term work shy can even begin to apply in a meaningful sense.

    Again, please look up racism in a dictionary and stop making a fool of yourself by using this expression in the context of relations between the two largest language communities of Finland.

    The last four words of your most recent contribution are most telling.

  22. Toni

    >Finland’s detailed immigration criteria are mainly set out in chapter 4 of the Aliens Act.

    I think the biggest consern for True Finns has been that family reunion problem.
    And now the B-permit has been cancelled and that is a good change. Thanks to Halla-aho??

    Finland’s unsuccessful Aliens Act needs urgent reform
    Amendments to B-permit system required for alleged violations of constitutional rights
    http://www.hs.fi/english/article/Finlands+unsuccessful+Aliens+Act+needs+urgent+reform/1101982005617

    Like Soini told, now it seems much better.

    >Education does not arise as a factor governing these decisions (in Canada)

    Any source for that? So, you mean Osmo Soininvaara is not telling the truth?

    >the demonstrations concerning Swedish sporting relations with Israel are due to (a) Moslem immigration or (b) the treatment of Palestinians in Israel.

    I would answer A but hope you will prove I’m wrong. I understand A comes from B. If there would be no moslems in Sweden, no such problems would exist?

    >You specifically claimed that “some” immigrants are work shy.

    Yes. Some Finns too.

    >You cannot identify a single immigrant who fits the description of work shy.

    They don’t tell that in public. It would be super stupid. I am sorry if no news exists about that.
    If you name one who is looking for work it doesn’t mean all of them are.

    I cannot identify a single Finn who fits the description of work shy, but you know some exist?

    >The last four words of your most recent contribution are most telling.

    There lives a small racist inside everyone. It is called instinct of survive. Scientific simulations tell that civilisations who are “too nice” will not survive…

  23. Toni

    As it seems PS is one of the biggest now. Halla-aho answered very well to questions why PS (True Finns) became so popular. Can you tell me why do you think they (PS) became so popular?

  24. JusticeDemon

    Toni

    Do you even understand what is at stake in that HS article? The problem is the outcome of trying to place certain migrants in cold storage much as Denmark has been doing in recent years. The envisaged reform will abolish this practice, which has proved unworkable. By the standards of your previous contributions here, this will be a significant liberalisation of the Aliens Act, essentially restoring it to the original form recommended by specialist government advisory committees, immigrant organisations and lobbying groups back in 2002.

    The B-permit problem also affects other groups. Most notably the spouses and children of Finnish citizens under certain circumstances.

    Can you show that Jussi Halla-aho has campaigned for this reform? That would be a surprise indeed.

    Otherwise this is duck season-wabbit season again from your point of view.

    Education does not arise as a factor in humanitarian migration. This is built into the very concept. You will not find any reference to educational achievement as a condition of receiving refugee status under the 1951 Geneva Refugee Convention, nor of enjoying humanitarian protection under the Convention Against Torture and other relevant instruments of international law. Education or lack of it is neither grounds for granting nor refusing permission to enter and remain in a country in such cases.

    Osmo Soininvaara was clearly talking about migration for employment. AFAIK Canada still operates an occupational quota system whereby migrant workers are admitted to its labour market based on proven competence (education, vocational training and work experience), whereas Finland primarily requires a migrant worker to find a job before arriving, and ALSO imposes competence requirements governing access to most occupations. For example anyone hired as a teacher is supposed to hold a university degree or a specialist vocational qualification and at least two years of reputable full-time working experience.

    In other words, if Finland adopted the Canadian system, this would again be a significant liberalisation. It is not currently possible for non-EEA nationals to arrive in Finland as jobseekers, regardless of how qualified they are.

    Duck season-wabbit season again from your point of view.

    There are plenty of non-Moslems in Sweden who are opposed to the policies of the Israeli government in relation to Palestinians, and who oppose sporting and other links with Israel for this reason. The situation is precisely parallel to the anti-apartheid demonstrations of the late 1970s. Whether you view such demonstrations as a problem is another subject, but there is no question that they would arise even without the contribution of the Islamic community in Sweden.

    One of the most obvious sources of information about work shyness is in decisions to reduce benefits pursuant to section 10 of the Income Support Act (1412/1997) or section 12 of chapter 2 of the Unemployment Security Act (1290/2002). These decisions (you can find 20 of them by entering kieltäytyminen as a search term here) are matters of official discretion and are open to appeal, yet immigrant advisors in Finland never see such decisions, nor even hear about them. That is very strong evidence suggesting that such decisions are either extremely rare or non-existent.

    If work shyness was as common among immigrants as you have suggested, then we would most certainly have seen many such decisions and inevitably appealed against at least some of these. As the standard form of income support paid to an unemployed immigrant (at least in the early stages) comes in the form of kotoutumistuki (i.e. there is a special term for this), it is a simple matter to search the full database of Insurance Court decisions for any reference to cases concerning this type of benefit. There are no cases whatsoever referring to a decision to reduce kotoutumistuki.

    The only other possible explanation is that officials at employment offices in Finland are systematically failing to perform their duty when immigrants refuse work or training.

    Advice about your Freudian slip: when you are in a hole – stop digging.

  25. Toni

    Does he look like a racist?
    http://www.iltalehti.fi/vaalit/2011041713566018_vl.shtml

    Williams agrees that Finland is for Finns and even he doesn’t like his guests just to lie on soffa doing nothing. Williams must have seen that happen a lot…

    >Education does not arise as a factor in humanitarian migration. This is built into the very concept.

    What does rise as a factor?

    >whereas Finland primarily requires a migrant worker to find a job before arriving

    At the same time thousands of migrants arrive to Finland without a job.
    There are some examples of immigrants having multiple identities.

  26. Tiwaz

    -“But, I don’t think it’s racist to suggest that you should be able to or be prepared to speak Swedish in a Swedish-speaking school. It’s important we have separate schools as we are a smaller language. Many children in the south come from bilingual homes (often Finnish dominated if one of the parents is Finnish-speaking and doesn’t speak Swedish so well or at all), and it’s important that they go to a school with a strong Swedish language so that they can master it properly. Unfortunately, bilingual solutions in education tend to turn into unilingual Finnish ones quite quickly. E.g., you will be unable to speak Swedish in the dining hall to order food, at break time Finnish will be the language used etc. This is nothing against Finnish-speakers. I am sure Finnish schools would object if it was not possible to speak Finnish at lunchtime too. It’s equally important that Finnish-speaking schools have their own facilities in Swedish-speaking majority areas. Language is an important part of education!”

    And here we have statement which makes it OK for Swedish speaking schools to enforce need to speak Swedish in them.

    Same argument can be used for speaking FINNISH in FINLAND. Speaking local language is essential part of education and skillset of employee! Failure to present such skills is reason for most immigrant employment issues.

    But when Finnish speakers say this same thing, we have people like certaing blogger rushing to forefront frothing from mouth screaming racism. While quietly accepting same argument for Swedish speakers.

    I agree with Swedish schools requiring Swedish as long as being on such school is personal choice of person. And likewise, I expect everyone who wants to come to Finland to accept that there is no replacement for speaking Finnish, and that Finnish is essential piece of skills.

    This simply points out the rather racist double standards multiculturalists love….

    For Halla-Aho. Indeed, Finland does owe PS-party for waking up the politicians. For too long has populations needs and wants ignored in favor of currying up international headpatting.
    Finnish representatives have first and foremost responsibility to people of Finland, not to foreigners.

    This includes whining immigrants and countries which have ruined their own economies. Both expecting that Finnish taxpayer has to come to rescue, at our expense.

    PS-party will be moderated by other parties, so we hopefully get the better compromise where Finnish taxpayer DOES continue to help these groups, but no longer without requirement of reciprocal action from those being supported.

    Time for immigrants to show that they are prepared to work hard to learn to integrate into Finnish society instead of demanding Finnish society to adjust to them, and for PIG-group (and it’s potential coming members) to be forced to shovel up guarantees to ensure that it is not those who arrange their cheaper loans who have to carry the risk of aiding them.

  27. JusticeDemon

    Toni

    Again, look up racism in a dictionary. There is no such thing as looking like a racist, any more than there is any such thing as looking like an optimist, a realist or a logical positivist.

    Humanitarian migration depends on humanitarian considerations, such as a well-founded fear of individual persecution based on extraction, political or religious conviction etc. or general displacement from the former country of domicile due to war, environmental catastrophe or similar considerations.

    The criteria governing admissions of various types of immigrant depend on the type of immigrant in question. Only those admitted as migrant workers are supposed to have jobs arranged in advance. Many immigrants arrive every year in Finland because the immigrant and a Finnish spouse have decided to select Finland as the country of residence of the couple. Many Finnish citizens also emigrate to other countries for a precisely corresponding reason. For example, there are at least 50,000 mainly female Finnish citizens living in the UK who originally secured leave to remain on these grounds. It was not and never has been a condition that such migrants also have jobs to go to.

    All of these points are fundamental parameters in any discussion of immigration policy. For someone so opinionated about these subjects, you are very poorly informed.

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