Racists out of the Finnish closet

by , under All categories, Enrique

If I had to ask a question about racism in Finland today, I would try to understand its extent and how it manifests itself. Why has racism raised its head today in Finland? Should we thank those that have exposed this murky side of ourselves?

It was easy in the past for some Finns to be racist because they did not have to acknowledge it as a problem. Since it was rarely identified if ever debated for as long and passionately as today it was therefore not seen as an issue.

Those that insult other immigrants with their populist statements commit a grave blunder: They believe racism and exclusion are normal and a part of our heritage (sic!).

What makes their platform even more suspect is that they take such stands for the purpose of getting elected never mind offer any effective solution on how to build good ethnic relations in Finland.

Whom am I speaking of? Those that use funny arguments like “freedom of expression” to justify their far-right nationalistic agendas. Even so, it is a good matter that they have come out of the closet in droves in Finland.

Coming out has given sensible Finns the opportunity to address effectively once and for all this social ill. If it is a small or big problem is not the issue. The most important matter is that it is out in the open for all of us to see.

We can now address this issue more effectively than ever before. Finland has all the resources and good will to do so.

    • Enrique

      Tony, my view of our society of the future is not complex but is built on a very crucial matter: inclusion. How is this achieved? By following our laws, which permit diversity. This depends a lot on who you are and from what background you may be. While there are exceptions and one cannot generalize, the more visible you are ethnically the greater chances you have of being excluded. This is not fully true because we have Myanmar refugees which have been accepted quite readily by many municipalities.

      Why am I against the assimilation model you speak of? Because it is slow and causes a lot of pain and can be slow taking generations. Certainly each immigrant can decide how he/she wants to integrate or assimilate. However, personally assimilation is a crude process. Part of my background from my mother’s side were Jews and apparently from Holland. However, due to the strong assimilation and nationalism in Finland we lost this heritage. For me it feels as if something was robbed from us. If you add to this picture the need to be a certain color and religion in order to be accepted, the experience can be very traumatic and can impact generations.

      So in a nutshell, I believe that allowing diversity creates more synergies and permits greater personal development without traumas. It is already known that people with a strong sense of their identity learn to adapt better than those that have low self-esteem (are ashamed of who they are). Living in a diverse society requires great civic skills and awareness. Education plays a crucial role.

      I have lived in many diverse societies and travelled between cultures with ease. For me this is a natural condition. Since it has worked for me it can work for others.

  1. Tiwaz

    -“Tony, my view of our society of the future is not complex but is built on a very crucial matter: inclusion. How is this achieved? By following our laws, which permit diversity.”

    Enriqe, do yo not grasp that nothing in our laws require us to place anyone elses “diversity” above our NATIVE values?

    Nobody has their right to be “different” violated. But only imbecile thinks that their right to be “different” overrules rights of others.

    You are free to be as diverse as you want. But you are not titled to ANYTHING else. You are not entitled to be treated preferentially.

    -“This is not fully true because we have Myanmar refugees which have been accepted quite readily by many municipalities. ”

    Because these people do not demand appeasement, but adjust to their surroundings. They are, unlike you, good immigrants. Ones who fit in, work hard and earn their position.

    -“Why am I against the assimilation model you speak of? Because it is slow and causes a lot of pain and can be slow taking generations. ”

    So? Things are slow. So what? It is ONLY functional method. There is never fast road to happiness.

    -“Certainly each immigrant can decide how he/she wants to integrate or assimilate. ”

    Yes. And everyone else are entitled to have their own opinion on that immigrant. If they do not like what they see, that immigrant has no right to demand anything else.

    -“However, due to the strong assimilation and nationalism in Finland we lost this heritage. For me it feels as if something was robbed from us.”

    So cut up your penis and move to Netherlands to reclaim it. You can’t lose something you never had.
    Before someone came to you and started this BS sobstory did you feel less of a person than after it?

    -“So in a nutshell, I believe that allowing diversity creates more synergies and permits greater personal development without traumas.”

    Your personal belief is not worth the evidence which shows that societies without strong unifying force, culture generally, are unstable and cause MORE suffering than those which are unified.

    -“It is already known that people with a strong sense of their identity learn to adapt better than those that have low self-esteem (are ashamed of who they are).”
    Sense of identity is product of having strong cultural background. Lack of one produces rootless people who are lost. And easy prey for extremists groups. Look up islamic kids brought up in Western world who are being recruited by extremists in mosques.

    -“Living in a diverse society requires great civic skills and awareness. Education plays a crucial role. ”

    Living in diverse society requires gun and fortress for coming conflict. All attempts to such “diversity” have ended in tears and blood.

    -“I have lived in many diverse societies and travelled between cultures with ease. For me this is a natural condition. Since it has worked for me it can work for others.”

    I have lived in diverse societies, seen how they are sick and conflicting and returned to my home where people still possess sense of community and belonging.

    Because this has worked for centuries, and societies without it are miserable, it is still best way to go.

    • Enrique

      –Enriqe, do yo not grasp that nothing in our laws require us to place anyone elses “diversity” above our NATIVE values?

      Stop living in denial Tiwaz. Read the Non-discrimination Act and then our Constitution for starters.

      Moreover, a society that is founded on justice doesn’t go around bashing others cultures. That is why what you represent (True Finns, Muutos 2011 et al) are so foreign to us. You ask immigrants to adapt but I think you are the one with the problem as all those that want to apply laws to immigrants that they would never accept.

  2. Tony Garcia

    “While there are exceptions and one cannot generalize, the more visible you are ethnically the greater chances you have of being excluded. This is not fully true because we have Myanmar refugees which have been accepted quite readily by many municipalities. ”

    There you go my friend, how people from Myanmar behaves? Do they believe they should settle they matter using violence? Do they accept the local laws? Do they claim appeasement? Amazingly Myanmar share the same religion than Japan and, in some level, South Korea. Coincidence?

    I asked you already how is the level of success of Japanese and South Korean immigration around the world? How about Muslim immigration?

    “Because it is slow and causes a lot of pain and can be slow taking generations.”

    Only for those who doesn’t want to, in fact for some groups/religion it won’t ever work.

    “Certainly each immigrant can decide how he/she wants to integrate or assimilate. ”

    BINGO… The who is far more important than the what…

  3. Tiwaz

    I mean honestly…

    Your ancestor was jew and dutch. How does that in anyway affect you, presumably christian argentinian?

    I am guessing that it was completely irrelevant to you beyond being a curiosity, until you figured out that you can use it again as bashing tool against Finns.

    “Boo hoo. Evil Finns denied me my dutch jewish identity.”

    • Enrique

      No, Tiwaz, it was our right to retain it. However, people like you, who were a bigger majority back then, killed diversity to fit matters in your world. It is a loss. My cultural diversity is my right and not to play with.

  4. Tony Garcia

    “Education plays a crucial role. ”

    Really? Why then Al-Qaida is recruiting on British universities rather than ghetto mosques?

  5. Tony Garcia

    “So in a nutshell, I believe that allowing diversity creates more synergies and permits greater personal development without traumas.”

    Do you think the Jews in Malmo agree with you? You are against anti-Semitism as much as you are against criticism to Muslims, aren’t you? Aren’t you?

    • Enrique

      Tony, why don’t you give us other sources like the Financial Times, the Guardian or BBC to follow these types of stories?

  6. Tony Garcia

    “Tony, why don’t you give us other sources like the Financial Times, the Guardian or BBC to follow these types of stories?”

    “Tonight’s Panorama on BBC One will claim…”

  7. JusticeDemon

    Tony

    Israeli army bulldozer crushes Palestinian baby during clearance exercise to make room for illegal Israeli settlement. Palestinian refugee in Sweden criticises Israeli treatment of Palestinians. Local Israelis shout about antisemitism. Tony the Toby shouts about antisemitism.

    Your usual standard of angry mob in-depth analysis, Tony. LMAO.

  8. JusticeDemon

    Tiwaz, who has no heritage, wishes to erase the heritage of others.

    This is interesting, given the evident popularity of Kadonneen jäljillä on MTV3.

    It’s most unfinnish of you to seek to bury cultural roots, Tiwaz. Reminds me of a certain famous Austrian.

    • Enrique

      Yes, true. I wonder who that Austrian is? So now that basically throws into the dustbin Tiwaz’ claim that he is worried about indigenous cultures. And I am NOT talking about Finns. Whenever people start to speak of Finns as a tribe they start flirting with racism.

    • Enrique

      It is a good matter that these types of matters are discussed. I wonder what Al Jazeera would say about it. Are they reporting the matter?

  9. Tony Garcia

    “It is a good matter that these types of matters are discussed.”

    Yes, now, after you try to dismiss it as right-wing islamophobia and fail. That clearly shows you mindset, my friend.

  10. Tony Garcia

    Once you “really” think that discuss this matters is a good thing, you could tell us what you think about Jews fleeing Malmo because Muslim violence.

    • Enrique

      Or maybe I could mention how Jews fear the rise of the Sweden Democrats in Sweden.

  11. Tony Garcia

    “Or maybe I could mention how Jews fear the rise of the Sweden Democrats in Sweden.”

    Very well, tell us about both cases, please…

  12. Tony Garcia

    “No, Tiwaz, it was our right to retain it. However, people like you, who were a bigger majority back then, killed diversity to fit matters in your world. It is a loss. My cultural diversity is my right and not to play with.”

    Do you have any idea what will happen with your cultural diversity right if we allow Europe becomes majority Muslim? No? Simple, just listen to what they are saying they will do when that happen.

    • Enrique

      Please tell us how the Muslims will become a majority in the same cultural sense as downtown Mecca. I will not sacrifice my values and civil rights because you fear Muslims.

  13. Tony Garcia

    ” I will not sacrifice my values and civil rights because you fear Muslims.”

    So, you DO agree that in case they becomes majority your rights, especially the right to be a Jew, will be flushed down the toilet. At least we are getting somewhere…

    PS. You DID watched the UCSD student video until the end and you DID hear she saying she’s for the extermination of the Jews.

    • Enrique

      You should know very well that I am against all type of violence. In order to live in a society comprised of many cultures, all of its part must respect each other. There must be strong laws in this respect. If, however, you start to single out a certain group because you don’t like them, then that is the prelude towards more undemocratic measures. Latin America of the 1970s come to mind. Remember how much we were told about the “communist” threat and how military governments could torture, murder and even declare war on other countries to save us?

      Even though times are different, the type of warnings you are giving here are, in my opinion, very similar to what happened in the 1970s in Latin America.

      I am the first person in many of my classes to point out the rights that immigrants have in this country but also that those rights apply to everyone.

    • Enrique

      A question Tony: where do you get your sources? I get mine from lots of newspapers, studies and journals. Is there one website you visit often?

  14. Klay_Immigrant

    Muslims are the real Neo-Nazis, the only difference is replace the Aryan race with the Muslim identity, but the ideology and mentality is exactly the same, as well as the solution to deal with the problem of infidels.

    But as usual people like Enrique cannot comprehend this as Muslims are normally not caucasian, just like they don’t realise that it’s possible for non-caucasians to be racists.

  15. Klay_Immigrant

    Also if what Tony has shown and I have mentioned in the past that Islamic faith schools in Europe are teaching using standard text books hatred and violence towards infidels is still news to you Enrique and that you didn’t realise this then that really shows your naivety and the dreamworld you’re living in regarding Islam and it’s followers.

    But I guess Mikkeli or even Finland is not exactly the best place to experience the true nature of Muslims in all their glory and in their masses.

  16. Tony Garcia

    “A question Tony: where do you get your sources?”

    All my sources are on the record here.

    “Is there one website you visit often?”

    Yes, Migrant Tales.

    “I am the first person in many of my classes to point out the rights that immigrants have in this country but also that those rights apply to everyone.”

    You should tell this to your Muslims friends, they may have a quite different opinion.

  17. Tony Garcia

    “If, however, you start to single out a certain group because you don’t like them, then that is the prelude towards more undemocratic measures. ”

    You do this all the time, but for you the problem is only the far-right, I’m just making this blog less one-sided shown that the problem is not only the fair-right.

  18. Klay_Immigrant

    Enrique here’s a simple task for you to do. Go to any Mosque and try to explain to them that Jews and infidels are equal to Muslims and see their reaction. If you still haven’t been thrown out of the Mosque or even assaulted then profess that you have Dutch Jewish roots. That should do the trick.

    Remember these aren’t extremists that you have encountered, just your simple average Muslim attending a Mosque.

  19. JusticeDemon

    Any wingnut can open a Saturday or Sunday school in Britain.

    Getting a licence to provide full-time public education is a different story and there is an ongoing debate in the UK about, for example, the right of parents to send their children to schools that teach creationism and other wacky ideas. On the one hand the government has been keen to secure private investment in “faith schools”, while on the other hand there is concern about curriculum content, disciplinary methods and discrimination in enrolment. The jury is still out on these questions.

  20. Tony Garcia

    Klay let me ask you a question. From all of us here in this blog, you are the one who have deepest experience with Muslims. Having a handful of Muslims buddies when living in Mikkeli doesn’t really compare to someone who lived in a Muslim majority country like you did. So…

    In your opinion, how pro-multiculturalism do you think Muslims are? How excited are they about having Jews, Christians, gays, women, Atheists, Buddhists, etc. living side by side in the same community sharing the same rights?

    Would they hold our hands and sing Kumbaya?

    • Enrique

      This is not a competition to see who is responsible. The issue is that three lives were lost. That is important. Now, the police will do their work and get to the bottom of the matter. If this is caused by Finns it will mean a huge background to the anti-immigration groups that already have a very violent agenda. Their violence is not placing bombs but reinforcing a system of exclusion through suspicion. If it was caused by another rival immigrant group it will strenghten the far-right’s message.

      I will be watching closely to see how long the police can put all the pieces together.

  21. Tony Garcia

    Enrique, my dear friend, I haven’t been in this blog for 2 weeks or 2 months, but 2 years. We all know why you brought this up. Look the way you replied…

    “…already have a very violent agenda.”, “will strenghten the far-right’s message.”

    So no matter who is responsible for this crime, it’s always a good opportunity to attach the right. You just used this tragedy as platform for your agenda. People here know you very well already, my friend.

    However you are right, 3 lives has been lost and that’s tragic. My heart (honestly speaking) goes out to their families who are suffering the most.

    “I will be watching closely to see how long the police can put all the pieces together.”

    You definitely will, we all know that, but I wonder how closely have you watched the toner bomb case?

    • Enrique

      Let’s wait for the police results and then analyze what it means. I think it is, like you said, the best respect we can give to those families that lost a loved one.

    • Enrique

      Tony, you forget that I used to write for two conservative dailies: The Buenos Aires Herald and the Financial Times.

  22. Klay_Immigrant

    -‘In your opinion, how pro-multiculturalism do you think Muslims are? How excited are they about having Jews, Christians, gays, women, Atheists, Buddhists, etc. living side by side in the same community sharing the same rights?

    Would they hold our hands and sing Kumbaya?’

    Tony you already know the answer, but for those who don’t Muslims are generally as far as possible to the opposite of pro-multiculturalism as can be. Anybody who isn’t a Muslim would be EXCLUDED without a question with lesser rights. If they are the majority God help you, either forced assimilation or expulsion or maybe even worse.

    If you’re a Jew you are not allowed into Arab countries and even if not but have an Isreali tourist visa stamp on you passport the same applies. That by itself shows their indifference and hatred towards Jews and generally to otherness.

    • Enrique

      -’In your opinion, how pro-multiculturalism do you think Muslims are? How excited are they about having Jews, Christians, gays, women, Atheists, Buddhists, etc. living side by side in the same community sharing the same rights?

      A colleague of mine was holding a course on how to treat non-natives. He had a good suggestiong for them: Kill them. Now think of that absurd answer and think of the second thing you should do. Your reply will be more sensible.

      The problem with your statement is the word all Muslims. You cannot make such a statement because it is not true. If there are Muslims that have been involved in the killing of other minorities the law should deal with it like any crime committed by anyone.

      I have some Somali students and I think they are the most considerate people I have ever met. Taking into account the hatred they have to endure from some Finns, the behavior of those students is exemplary.

    • Enrique

      Here is an update on the Tampere kebab-pizzeria fire from YLE. The story states: “Police say there is no evidence indicating that it was a crime specifically aimed against immigrants, but said that the theory could not be ruled out.”

      As I memntnioned previously, it will be interesting to see how long it will take for the police to put all the pieces together.

    • Enrique

      Klay, would you want me to do what you are asking me to do with a light or heavy dose of arrogance?

  23. Tony Garcia

    “The problem with your statement is the word all Muslims. You cannot make such a statement because it is not true. If there are Muslims that have been involved in the killing of other minorities the law should deal with it like any crime committed by anyone. ”

    How about if we get this phrase and replace the word Muslim by far-right. Would you agree with it?

  24. Tony Garcia

    Enrique, why wait the investigations? Yesterday you gave us your verdict already.

    1. If it’s a racist attach you’ll blame the True Finns, of course, they are responsible for everything bad that happens in Finland.

    2. If it’s not a racist attach you’ll blame the police for not doing their job properly, because police in Finland never do that when the victims are foreigners, do they? And of course this is because they are all secret members of True Finns, aren’t they?

    3. If the culprit is a foreigner you’ll also blame the True Finns, because it’ll strengthen their message.

    So, I really look forward to se the article you’ll right about this case and how you’ll use it as a platform for your agenda, just like the “racist” temple attach.

    Please don’t disappoint us.

    • Enrique

      Tony, did I blame any particular party? No. If it is racially motivated it shows how provocative stances can lead to violence. It is ludicrous to think that the far-right anti-immigration wing of the True Finns are ONLY interested in labelling and ostracizing Muslims. Once they get rid of this group they will find another one to bash. If it is a racially motivated crime it is a wake up call to all those politicians, even from the big parties like Social Democrat MP Eero Heinäluoma and Kari Rajamäki, to reflect the impact of their populist statements and how they affect the whole immigration community and embolden Finns in the extremist camp. Even if this is not a racially motivated crime, there should be no reason for opportunistic politicians to bash minorities in this country for fun, games and to benefit their political careers.

    • Enrique

      –Please don’t disappoint us.

      Disappoint you? Why not ask the wife of the former prime minister Päivi Lipponen to do that for you. Here is the story. This is what Ilta-Sanomat wrote.

      Is this a left-wing plot? Or is it a wake up call to all those who want to clutch racism as a normal thing in our society? One event can change the world and public opinion.

  25. Tony Garcia

    “Tony, did I blame any particular party?”

    No, but we are still waiting your next article.

    “it shows how provocative stances can lead to violence. ”

    Interesting theory you have here, using the same logic we can positively draw a conclusion – the responsible for marginalization, exclusion and extremism are the fire-breathing Imams.

    ” Even if this is not a racially motivated crime, there should be no reason for opportunistic politicians to bash minorities in this country for fun, games and to benefit their political careers.”

    So let me see if I understand it right, if the crime is committed by Finns we bash them, if it’s committed by Immigrants we don’t. Fascinating…

    • Enrique

      There is still no concrete statement from the police on the Tampere tragedy but the Social Democrats are concerned about the rise of hate crimes in Finland. Here is a letter that was given from SDP MP Kimmo Kiljunen to the speaker of parliament: http://www.eduskunta.fi/faktatmp/utatmp/akxtmp/kk_966_2010_p.shtml

      The letter reads (free translation): The deadly fire that took place in Tampere is proving to be a hate crime. The previous week a demonstration against racism was disrupted. In Tampere a Mormon church was burned as was attacked a Buddhist temple in Turku…

      Original text: Tampereella ravintolan tuhopoltto on osoittautumassa viharikokseksi. Edellisellä viikolla häiriköitiin Turussa rasismin vastaista mielenosoitusta vastaan. Tampereella poltettiin mormonikirkko ja Turussa iskettiin buddhalaiseen temppeliin.

    • Enrique

      Following the dealy fire that took place at the Juliet Pizzeria in Tampere was not motivated by racism, according to tabloid Ilta-Sanomat. Päivi Lipponen and Kimmo Kijunen, both MPs of the Social Democratic Party, appear to have jumped the gun on the motive for the fire. Lipponen apologized publicly in Ilta-Sanomat. As we mentioned earlier in this blog, the greatest tragedy is the loss of life.

      I will report more information when the official police statement becomes public today.

  26. Tony Garcia

    It’s amazing how depending the story we accept Daily Mail and Ilta-Sanomat articles. But just two days ago an article from the Telegraph hasn’t been very well accepted, has it? I love this blog…

    • Enrique

      As I mentioned, I am waiting like everyone else for the police findings. The main message is that violence should not be taken lightly by society. It must be addressed irrespective of is source.

  27. Tony Garcia

    “The main message is that violence should not be taken lightly by society. It must be addressed irrespective of is source.”

    Be aware, I’ll hold you to that statement…

  28. Tiwaz

    -“No, Tiwaz, it was our right to retain it. However, people like you, who were a bigger majority back then, killed diversity to fit matters in your world. It is a loss. My cultural diversity is my right and not to play with.”

    It produced society which works. We are reaping benefits of united society, with minimal amount of conflict within.

    Be as culturally diverse as you wish, go to Netherlands to become a Jew if you see it so essential to your identity.

    Aren’t you the one who is always saying how things do not remain stagnant? Your family did not stay stagnant, instead they adjusted to changed conditions and obtained NEW cultural identity which replaced the old one, and this most likely was through generations. But I guess you are shamed to think that your family might have at some point had Finnish identity.

    As for me, I have my roots. Solid roots in Finnish culture and society, tracing down centuries. But ultimately culture to which I grew up is one which defines my cultural heritage. Even if one of my ancient ancestors had arrived from Sweden, that would not make me single bit Swedish. Because that cultural influence is too distanced to matter.

    -“You ask immigrants to adapt but I think you are the one with the problem as all those that want to apply laws to immigrants that they would never accept.”

    I have problem with immigrants who demand appeasement and special treatment. EVERYONE who has half a brain has problem with such people.

    It is people like that and their offspring who become terrorists, criminals and troublemakers in such high proportions.

    I am also shocked how you try to use tragedy of fire in Tampere to spout your hatred towards Finns.

    For the record: Investigations point out that arsonist was FOREIGNER (but this would NEVER in Enriques mind hint that foreigners/immigrants would have any tendency. If it was Finn, it would prove Finnish trend of racism, but attacker being immigrant is always special exception).

    http://www.iltasanomat.fi/uutiset/kotimaa/uutinen.asp?id=2281916

    It appears to have been OWNER, and IMMIGRANT who burned his own restauran in an attempt to cash in insurance money.

    Now, what does this prove to us about Immigrants?
    If it had been Finn, in Enrique’s mind it would prove how Finns, and specially Finns who are not bending over backwards to appease immigrants, are essentially embodiment of evil.

    Now, tell me Enrique, what does the actual culprit, as suspected strongly at this point of investigation, tells us?

    • Enrique

      Tiwaz, we cannot excape from the fact that lives were lost. However, what happened, and I do hope the weight of the law falls heavily on those that are responsible does not mean that the problem of racism and discrimination has ceased to exist. I noticed from your thread the use of your favoite English word: appease.

      I also consider it in bad taste that you accuse me of blaming all Finns. Some Finns, or some groups, is more precise.

  29. xyz

    I found it always interesting how some people want others to adapt within 24 hours but are not able to write proper English even so they have studied English 9 years at school 🙂

    • Enrique

      Klay, this clip is “not available in your area.” Are a minority of Muslims the only ones with such a message. What about Christians? Other religions? Even though I was not able to see this, I think it is important to stress that this is a minority.

  30. Tiwaz

    -“I found it always interesting how some people want others to adapt within 24 hours but are not able to write proper English even so they have studied English 9 years at school”

    Who has said anything about adaptation in 24 hours?
    Perhaps you are just too lazy or stupid to grasp that some things just are hard, but have to be done.

  31. Tiwaz

    Now now Enrique, I think we deserve some answers to these questions:

    -“I also consider it in bad taste that you accuse me of blaming all Finns. Some Finns, or some groups, is more precise.”

    You accuse me of blaming all immigrants. I blame those who refuse to adjust and integrate into society as it is.

    -“Tiwaz, we cannot excape from the fact that lives were lost. However, what happened, and I do hope the weight of the law falls heavily on those that are responsible does not mean that the problem of racism and discrimination has ceased to exist.”

    But WHAT DOES RESPONSIBLE ONES BEING FOREIGN TELL US ABOUT FOREIGNERS?
    You were prepared to draw VERY sweeping conclusions when you got on your mighty moral high ground (which turned out to be swamp) about Finns. Where are your conclusions now?

    -“I noticed from your thread the use of your favoite English word: appease.”

    Yes, because that is what you immigrants constantly demand. Or should I say, groups that cannot adjust and fit in. Expecting Finns to make concession after concession so that immigrants do not have to change to fit Finland.

    Asian immigrants/refugees do not ask for appeasement. They take what is given and put their backs to work to fit in and make something of themselves.

    My hat is off for these people. They ARE a benefit for this nation and I welcome such people with open arms.

    But people from Africa/Middle East or certaing “multicultural” circles come forth demanding appesement.

    “Special” needs that must be met, benefits and so forth. They demand that society must adjust to them.

    You should also ask how much you yourself contribute to increase of racism if such exists. You make unfounded accusations, slinging mud towards Finns nonstop.

    Do you think that Finns are so meek and cowardly that we just take beating after beating and do not react?

    Same thing is about your favorite word. Inclusion.
    To be included in a group, you have to show you are worthy to be part of the group.

    You do not get included in Finnish national Ice hockey team if you do not have something to show that you are worthy addition, no matter how much you want to.

    Same is true in being included in community. You have to first and foremost make effort to learn the values and principles community values, and exhibit them in your everyday life.

    Not demand that you must be included and then, perhaps, you might learn to adjust.

    That latter is demand of appeasement.

  32. JusticeDemon

    Tiwaz

    Perhaps you are just too lazy or stupid to grasp that some things just are hard, but have to be done.

    But this is obviously a comment that bites YOU in the arse, Tiwaz. YOU were too lazy and stupid to do what was required to adapt to living abroad. That’s why you came scampering back to Finland like a whipped dog with your tail between your legs, and that’s why you are now desperately trying to blame others for your own failure, even as you hide behind your anonymous proxy in the Seychelles.

    You couldn’t cut it abroad, and you are shit scared that others clearly can do so. This is why you keep raising the bar on what it takes to be Finnish. How dare these uppity foreigners succeed where you so obviously failed?

    What a Toby.

    • Enrique

      JusticeDemon, thank you for putting it so eloquently. The Tiwaz rune was used by the Nazis. Now is that a coincidence or what? I totally agree: he failed abroad and came back a beaten man and now is scared that they will take away is narrow-minded job if he is employed. I doubt it, however, that he is employed.

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