More pictures: Say no to deportations! Say no to the Finnish Immigration Service! Say no to the government’s harsh migration policy!

by , under Ignacio Pérez Pérez

Photos by Ignacio Pérez Pérez

Migrant Tales’ insight: One of our contributors, Ignacio Pérez Pérez has a sharp and artistic eye for photography. He took these pictures below of the demonstration against forced deportations that started in downtown Helsinki a week ago on Friday. 

Thank you Ignacio for documenting our struggle for social justice and against the harsh policies of the government and Finnish Immigration Service.

We will prevail in the end because we have nothing to lose. 

  1. Finland is a hateful country

    intternetnetsi !
    Finland is not your place ! where and how and what time you bought it Finland?

    If you are looking for my place and your place, then Sami people are main and original owners !
    When you die TOMB is your place for ever, and people will walk on your tomb and you can not say anything, even a word!

    Finland is my place and who ever move in. you are not owner of universe!

    • Migrant Tales

      –I do own this land. shitload of land, 3121,11m2 to exact. You don’t own anything.

      Hannu, the only land we “own” is when we die. It’s the soil that covers your coffin and grave.

    • Finland is a hateful country

      You do not own anything, because you will die ! you wont live here for ever!
      So you are a Sami? easy to prove it on internet, behind screen every thing is easy, sit on your chair and say whatever you wish !

      And how its come that from long long times a go you could accept this Finns here but you can not accept people who really needs help? is not strange?

      Finns are different, they were coming here to Finland from different places, and you said nothing to them ??? but now you are complaining against a few young man and woman and children, people who have no more choice and yet you sending them to Iraq and war zone and under bombardment ?

      If you are a Sami you should prove it and if you could prove it then again you are a human , no one human can live for ever, just a short time, even 100 years age, again its short and one day its finish and the end!

      You have attention that we are talking about war, bomb, terrorists, young people, man, woman, children and humans!

      What will you do if a big war happens in Finland right today? wont you leave quickly? when bombs are every where and terrorists following you? will you stay here with your wife and children? will you say to your young brothers and sisters, to your uncle, sons and daughters and grand parents, stay, no worry, bomb is some kind of flower and has great smell??? Will you??? WILL YOU?

      However Finland is not a safe palce for refugees, never been, they run from war and million hard problems to here, but they will fall in a big war zone again, and every single day and hour and min !!!

      Again, Finland is not a first world country, no science, no humanity, no morals, no educated people, no rights for humans, no mercy. its just a big village !

      Finnish government is a terrorist government ! no doubt. and you know nothing about your government because media in Finland are praising government, and magazine and newspapers all are about rich people, colourful people, parties, romance, voi leipä, … you never can find the truth in news paper and news wont say you about facts in Finalnd.

      You are harsh and cold people who just understand with their eyes, you never use your brain, this is Finland.

      Life does not mean party and drinking in palace with president Niinistö and his wife, dancing tango… and making vote against humanity in parliament, making money money money, life has many thing to share if you open your heart !

      Finnish governmenta and law in Finland is completely dictatorship, it is controlling every one and everything, even your mind and they makes you believe them !
      What do you know about ministers in parliament? their life, their business? their goals? their ideas? The way of their minds? their bank account???

      You yourself have nothing in this land, if you had and if you was a happy one, you would not attack refugee !

      There is no happiness in Finland except sadness, anger, complaints in air you cant see anything.

      However planet earth is for all humans, GOD is owner, you are not !

    • Joonas

      I usually don’t reply to messages here and this message wasn’t meant for me, but it seems someone has not been taking his medicine and has been saying quite hurtful things about Finns lately. Reminds me of that one crazy lady couple of years ago who was here.

      “You do not own anything, because you will die !”

      Incorrect. This might be a new concept for you, but when you buy something, you own it. When you die, the ownership of the object / property goes to your family.

      “but you can not accept people who really needs help? is not strange?”

      I don’t mind decent number of refugees coming to Finland and we should help SOME people in need, but the problem is what kind of refugees they are. Many people are abusing the current refugee problem and coming to Europe, because of poverty in their country, not because of the war. Almost 60% “underage” refugees lied their age. News are showing refugees as ungrateful people always complaining about their FREE food, FREE apartment, FREE financial support etc. and you just strengthen this believe.

      If I would be in the same situstion and actually in danger, I would be grateful for everything people would give me. And you wonder why some Finns are not be glad about them?

      “What will you do if a big war happens in Finland right today? wont you leave quickly?”

      If dishonesty is excluded, the problem is that almost all refugees are young men. These young men are abandoning their women, children and elderly to get a better life for themselves. In western countries we have always been taught “Women and children first!” and that has been applied in our wars. “Men” who left their families behind were seen as cowards and traitors. I have no respect for such “men”.

      So no, I would not leave my country, if it meant that I would leave my family behind. I would stay to fight, because it would be more honourable way to live.

      “However Finland is not a safe palce for refugees”

      If you think Finland is not safe place for refugees, then you probably came here for the wrong reasons. I don’t see bombs flying or hear shooting from the outside. You might not like Finland, but I would say Finland is quite safe country.

      “Finland is not a first world country, no science, no humanity, no morals, no educated people, no rights for humans, no mercy”

      According to the statics Finland has done quite well in these fields.

      “Finnish government is a terrorist government !”

      Finnish government doesn’t fund terrorist groups or create terrorist attacks around the world. Shouldn’t be called as “Terrorist government”. However, I do agree that our government sucks.

      “Life does not mean party and drinking in palace with president Niinistö and his wife, dancing tango… and making vote against humanity in parliament, making money money money”

      Maybe not your life, but I do attent to parties and money is one of the most important thing to get a decent and stable life. I don’t feel bitter if some people, like Niinistö, are more succesful than I am.

      “Finnish governmenta and law in Finland is completely dictatorship”

      Not really. People actually voted for the president and those idiots in parliament to run the government. It is actually highly democratic process.

      “There is no happiness in Finland except sadness, anger, complaints in air you cant see anything.”

      For some. Many people actually enjoy their lifes.

      “GOD is owner”

      I don’t believe in Santa Claus and I don’t believe in fairy tales.

    • Finland is a hateful country

      Whats wrong with that?
      When there is war in Finland, do you think your neighbours and the world should open the doors on you or should make walls and borders infront of you and your family?

      Answer this to yourself !

    • intternetnetsi

      I would be communications man making possible that leaders get their orders thru. My wife and kids would work for war effort.

      There is no rights without borders if you dont give up all social security. We cant take all who wants to come.

      Its equal to removing a lock and inviting everyone to your house.

  2. Toiset Soundit

    So before unsubscribing to this website, I just want to express my condolences: this website is dead, dead as water without oxygen. If you let people rant on – in a racist and hateful way – without deleting their comments, whereas you delete the comments of people emotionally reacting to those comments (like myself), than it’s clear. Again Enrique: you’re blindly biased, as much as the fascists you say you combat. I even have the impression it’s a personal thing. You just do not see clear. Blinded by a one-sided view: Finland bad, everything non-Finnish good.
    How sad. And how not surprising contributors like Mark and others have given up trying to bring some sensible grey tones in the debate. You’re just all ideology… sad
    Cheers to ‘Finland is a hateful country’, your star contributor. I wonder what the Finnish ombudsman would think about that kind of hate speech…
    And I also wonder if you dare publishing this very comment. Not that many people would read it, I think you’re mainly writing for yourself. Sad man.

  3. Finland is a hateful country

    Joonas you are a racist, bully, drunk bully, first take your pills then write about your empty ideas that costs not even one sent !
    YOU don’t believe in Santa Claus and You don’t believe in fairy tales ? Ha Ha HA HA , your president is your Santa Claus and his life is a fairy tale, you deserve it his fake smile, every thing in this land is fake, nothing has mean, no science, never seen anything, its just a big village with a few train and dark streets, but you can make advertisement for yours as you wish.
    You are yourself a Santa Claus number one too and your life is a fairy tale, sadness is in your heart and anger is in your small brain !
    Go drink your alcohol and dont write when You have no balance.
    What ?
    highly democratic process? sit behind your screen and praise this harsh racist government, what democtatic? do you really have any idea about democratic? explain whats democratic?
    Finalnd is full of censorship, meida is racist, no where you can find freedoom and the truth ! is that democratic?finalnd is a country about yes or no, no more no less.

    Refugee are not coward, you are coward and racist Joonas, you have no right to call those people coward, you never know whats the mean of war zone, you sit and drink one box beer and then you call them coward? coward is you, who cant talk but can bully, who cant solve a problem but can attack !? if you see a bomb in street you will foregt your family and you will run with your head to the sea to save your Santa Claus soul ! you kill your wife and children in one night , children in this country get no support from their parents, no love, no kindness, most of children have 2-3 mothers and 2-3 fathers, You dont have mercy on your own children, on your wife and husband, when you see a new man, you easily leave your husband, wife,….or a new face woman, then you leave your wife easily… this is a big fact, bitter fact, and you can not cover a fact with a mountain lie !

    You can say lie as much as you like, its internet and you are free to praise yourself.

    Terror has different mean, in Finland you terrorize refugee in every min and second, with no bomb, but with diffrent kind of torture and insult bomb.

    You give them no food, just porridge, for morning, lunch, and dinner, no bread, no cheese, never meat, nothing,… and you keep them in prisons, you make courts against them, your terrorist judges send them back under war zone, your polices attacking them in every single streets, in trains, in buses,here and there and asking them meaningless questions? you dont give them medicine, no hospital, no doctor, racist ones attacking them in super markets, shops, tram, taxi, on the river and beach, … ,… and many many more…

    This goverment is a rcaist government, every body knows this , world knows this, europe knows this, now Finland is very famous on this matter, racism matter!!!this is a fact, and your president Sauli Niinistö is not a successful person but a loser, he done nothing for this country, he has no gut to talk about humanity, he never said one even positive word about refugees, but he shaked hand with those are against refugees. working on negative and harsh ways does not make him a successful president ! dancing with a fake smile cant make him successful ! he does not know how to talk about humanity, he has no idea about humanity, …he never made a speech about humanity ! ! ! he never gave positive advice to own people, he never talks about peace !!!

    No i am not here for a wrong reason, but i am here to show to the world that you are racist and you try to show yourself nice with masks you have on your faces !!! and i wont leave here, dont dream, wak up time !

    Crazy lady? for sure she made you very much angry , oh you made me glad now ! bravo to her, applause applause who ever fights with racists , but now you are yourself looks more crazy and lady face ! you have no wise between your words, except prejudice and anger and jealously!

    When you buy something? but you did not buy Finland ! ! ! first yous should prove that you bought Finland, then call yourself owner !

    Finland is not a safe country even for some finns, racists Killed a young finnish man in Helsinki , exactly infront of railway station, and police was watching ! police was was watching and done nothing ! why? because your system is a racist system and police was supporting those racist group who were standing and praising Satan, Joonas your and their lord !

    • Joonas

      “Joonas you are a racist”

      Against what race? Oh, I know you have the urge to say “the human race!!!”, but it doesn’t qualify for definition of racism. I just don’t support the way Europe has been handling the refugee crises and what kind of people we are letting in. EU officials have even said most “refugees” are not actually refugees, but economic migrants (for example, from Morocco and Tunisia).

      “… drunk bully… Go drink your alcohol… you sit and drink one box beer”

      You are calling me a racist and yet, you made a huge generalization of Finns, and you have been doing that in every message you write. You don’t notice your double standards? I don’t mind a glass of wine occasionally, but I’m not a fan of alcohol products. There are better things in life 🙂

      “what democtatic? do you really have any idea about democratic? explain whats democratic?
      Finalnd is full of censorship, meida is racist, no where you can find freedoom and the truth !”

      There you are wrong again. Finland has always been one of the best ranked countries in the world when it comes to civil liberties, political culture, press freedom and equality. That also mean people can express their dissenting opinion. You can find this information quite easily. Look it up.

      “Refugee are not coward”

      Do you call these adult “men” brave when they are abandoning their families to the war zone? I don’t know what would be more fitting description for word “coward”. Better to die honorably than live as a coward.

      “you kill your wife and children in one night — *some unintelligible rambling*”

      You are getting quite extreme with your views and killings, but to be honest, I didn’t understand what you were trying to say in this paragraph.

      “You give them no food, just porridge, for morning, lunch, and dinner, no bread, no cheese, never meat, nothing”

      It’s FREE food for you and probably in every culture one of the biggest insult you can give a host is to complaining how shitty the food is. Especially because you didn’t even pay for it. It shows how ungrateful some “refugees” really are.

      And you shouldn’t lie about the food, because they have actually shown what kind of food refugees are getting. It is the same what you get from the schools and much better what you get from the nursing homes. Except you get actually FIVE dishes per day (breakfast, lunch, vegetable lunch, dinner and supper).

      ” world knows this, europe knows this, now Finland is very famous on this matter, racism matter!”

      Have you actually been following how other European countries are handling the refugee crises? They are also deporting people back to their countries and trying to stop the refugee flood. Finland is following the guidelines of other European countries.

      “Crazy lady? for sure she made you very much angry , oh you made me glad now !”

      Well, she had the exactly same writing style as you have now. Very long and, eh, lively messages rambling about nonsense. I didn’t get angry or hate her, but she seemed like a person who genuinely needed professional help for her mental issues.

      I don’t mind different opinions about the subject, but your writings are quite difficult to comprehend. I’m sure, if you would collect your thoughts together and think before writing, this diccussion might be more beneficial for both of us. You could write 50% shorter messages and still getting all your opinions through.

      “Finland is not a safe country even for some finns, racists Killed a young finnish man in Helsinki”

      This was a troublesome event, but the assaulter was caught and is in prison now.

      “praising Satan, Joonas your and their lord !”

      Again, I’m not a religious person, if I wasn’t clear in my previous message and I don’t believe in God or Satan. And I don’t share the views with SVL.

  4. Finland is a hateful country

    Toiset Soundit.facist- racist @ panic system.hell

    Mt has many reader, around the world, in Finland, and …millions and millions
    Dont try to control this site, you are not owner, you can not bully owner !

    Dont ry to make panic, no one afraid of you !

    This website is alive, you are dead, you and your dusty brain!
    and you will read this blog every single day, you can not even control yourself :)))) then dont try to control others .
    Oh what a sad news , you unsubscribing to this website? wow sad sad news, wolves will cry for you, world can feel happiness again, clouds wont rain again, birds wont sing, there wont be life if you leave us LOL

  5. Finland is a hateful country

    Joonas you yourself know against what race!
    Ha ha ha writing long or short can not make a person sick, however you fall in my comments with your head ! you read it all ! but real sick one is you, for i never asked you about religion or GOD but you were writing about it in your first comment when you saw my GOD word, you could not stop attack, thats why i called you Satan !

    Now who cares that you have religion or not, you are not important for me at all ! you can praise Hala Ahooooo, Soini, Niinistö, Juha Sippilä, and the rest racists ! you can go to Parliament and kiss their hands for you are in union with them, yes you are in same balck history with them . right now you are making a very black history in Finalnd 1
    You call yourself brave? Ha Ha Ha yes i see, you are very much brave, you send poor people under war zone, under bomb, you even can not write a few positive words about them on internet, you can not breath with them under a same sky = then you are worse than coward, but a bully in union with the rest of bullies !

    Media in Finland is real coward, a real journalist is brave and writes about all, but your media is writing only about white people and their parties and cloths, How President’s wife make up is, how a dancer has a new show on Tv, it never says even a word about the truth is happening every single day and moment in Finland ! coward racist journalists !

    Except you get actually FIVE dishes per day (breakfast, lunch, vegetable lunch, dinner and supper).
    So how many dishes you eat per day?oh poor hungry Joonas, i made you hungry when i was speaking about porridge :)))) you should go and live with refugees ( if its not against your white color ) in their prison so you can get veggie food and supper in Sauli Niinistö’s temple !

    Joonas who genuinely needed professional help for her mental issues ? This is the only thing that racists are talking about, HA HA HAAA they call foreigners mentaly sick :)))))

    How a sick person could make you this much angry, jealous and depress?
    You show clearly that you are angry at her and you hate her, because from first comment you were talking about ! if it was not important for you, then you would not talk about !

    It’s FREE food ? no its not, you scammer, you make them pay to immigration office for nothing! over and over, you are liar and you make a great business with their money and life !

    Oh so you have no news about crime in Finland? then stop it drink, wash your eyes and search for the facts !

    ??? beneficial for both of us. You could write 50% shorter messages and still getting all your opinions through.

    You can not tell me should and must, i can write as i wish ! Mt is not yoursite, so dont make dictatorship roles on internet!
    And i did not ask your advice! If you have any advice, then make it for yourself before you destroy yourself in hole of racism!

    I know whats benefical for me, dont need your recipe! if you have any recipe , use it for your sad heart!

    ???I don’t mind different opinions about the subject, but your writings are quite difficult to comprehend ,

    Oh really? dont you think problem is belong to your IQ?

    Finland

    • Joonas

      “Oh really? dont you think problem is belong to your IQ?”

      Mostly it is just your lack of skills constructing understandable English sentences. You can’t just put random English words next to each others and hope it will make sense. That’s why I politely advised you to think before writing.

      “Joonas you yourself know against what race!”

      Let’s see. Maybe Muslims? Except some of my friends are Muslims and I even work with one. Their ethnicity or religion has never been an issue between us. The difference is that they are actually skilled people who came here legally and didn’t abandon their families in need. I would feel the same way about Finnish men who would abandon their families.

      Word “racism” loses it’s value when you use it every time people don’t agree with your views. Instead calling everything and everybody racist, you could contribute something to the discussion. If you disagree with me on something, you can say why and what is your view on it. Like an adult.

      “You call yourself brave?”

      Where did I call myself brave? You shouldn’t put words to my mouth. I just told what I would do in the situation like this.

      “you can not breath with them under a same sky”

      Of course I can, if they are here for the right reasons. If they are women, (real) children and old people, then they need our help and we should help them. But even then, resources are limited and we can’t help everyone.

      “your media is writing only about white people”

      Because most people living in Finland are white? What do you have against white people? And they have regularly news about refugees.

      “So how many dishes you eat per day?”

      Depends on a day. The difference is that I actually pay for it. If you are not happy with your FREE porridge, you can always buy some food with your OWN money. Nobody is stopping you.

      “they call foreigners mentaly sick”

      She is a foreigner and was mentally sick, but I don’t call all foreigners mentally sick. I don’t call even all refugees mentally sick. You shouldn’t make generalisations.

      “Oh so you have no news about crime in Finland?”

      What are you talking about? There are news about crimes almost every day. You should read more often. You can start with YLE English.

      “I know whats benefical for me, dont need your recipe”

      This feels like I’m talking to a child. I assume you are a grown man, and should be able to discuss like one. If you’re a child, then I’m sorry, if I have been too straightforward with you.

  6. Finland is a hateful country

    Joonas still there are problems with your IQ, you cant understand foreigners and refugees and you call them mentaly sick? coward and uneducated people!
    Ha ha ha Your Ensglish is not perfect too, not even well, so dont make underline my sentences, this is the only thing a racist one tries to prove it, you just try to put down refugees, you insult them all the time, when ever you get time ! you always call them uneducated and whatever you like… why should we have a perfect Englsih language? thats not our mother tangue, we dont need praise other country and language, but you can praise them , you are living like a slave and robot ! looks you hate your own language !
    Finnish people hardly can speak English, they always try to practice their English with other foreigners, like you! if they marry a foreigner one goal is to practice English with them .

    How do you know this much correct about refugees and their goals? you always balme them for welfare service, but they still have nothing except porridge and prison with terrorist polices around them !
    You still can not see we are working here, we work harder than Finns, you always run after vacation and coffee and smoke, but we are sitting and doing our best !
    I dont pay for undelicious Finnish food! i have talent ! i can feed me with my great and excellent foods!

    And there is nothing wrong with duunari? many Finns do that, many foreigners do that, because people need life and for life they need money ! so dont put down those who have not a simple certificate like yours, they all have experiences and thats better than your worthyless certificate ! but however you can be proud of your cerificate which i pay for it not even one sent!

    Yes you have muslim friends, but you look at their salary and how they make money and they pay tax to you , if they lose their works or if they share their family life and how they get benefit for their wives and children from social service, then you will put them in your black list like the rest of us!

    They never share you truh because they know you will balme them quickly! no one feel truth in you, you proved it over and over that you hate foreigners, refugee and immigrants !

    Now go and teach English to Sauli Niinistö, who is a president but still can not write English like me!

    And dont try to insult others with your polite way, because there is no insult in a polite way !

    Are you an educated person? who knows nothing about war zone, humanity, blood and terrorists in your own country Finland? police in Finland is a terrorist, if your media talking truth then you should find this there !

    Even a young man needs be alive and breath under peace oxygen, do you think young men should leave under bombardment? what a small brain you have ! dont you think that young men are humans too? dont you think that first they were children, what is wrong when they grow up? should you send them back to war zone after you scammed them perfectly?
    A young man has soul too, and yet you dont mercy on woman and children and old men , again go read your news if they are talking about truth in Finland!

    Okay if you are not brave, then you will leave Finland when neighbours attacking you with bombs and terror, and i am aware that you never had a peaceful contact with your neighbours !
    Oh okay am child and you are a man, adult?
    But that woman made you cry like a baby demon, so before you call me a child, prove that you are an adult!

    Every refugee knows about finnish language at least a few sentences, but what about you? how many different language do you know? how many words of my and their mother tangue do you can speak? NOTHING

    You see, my thumb is down for you Joonas !

    • Joonas

      “Joonas still there are problems with your IQ, you cant understand foreigners and refugees and you call them mentaly sick? ”

      There are three incorrect statements in just one sentence
      a) IQ is designed to assess human intelligence, not empathy. I might be lacking empathy towards “refugees”, but it hardly has anything to do with the IQ. IQ measures mostly just your mathematical intelligence and logical aptitude.
      b) You shouldn’t speak about immigrants, foreigners and refugees in the same group. A refugee is always a foreigner, but the foreigner is not necessary a refugee. My criticism goes to so called “refugees”.
      c) I’m now repeating myself, but I have never called “them” (plural) mentally sick. I called only one person mentally sick.

      “Ha ha ha Your Ensglish is not perfect too, not even well”

      Fair enough. There are some misspellings and missing commas, but my writings are at least readable and the structure is almost always correct. However, you improved quality of your writings this time and it is almost completely understandable text. Good job!

      “why should we have a perfect Englsih language? thats not our mother tangue, we dont need praise other country and language, but you can praise them , you are living like a slave and robot ! looks you hate your own language !”

      Do you prefer I write in Finnish then? I didn’t think so. English is the universal language that is used almost everywhere and it helps people to communicate with each others. Your attitude towards English and learning new languages are quite worrisome. How do you think you are ever going to get a job, if you can’t speak the language the job requires?

      “Finnish people hardly can speak English, they always try to practice their English with other foreigners, like you!”

      And… why this is a bad thing? If you think Finns can hardly speak English, isn’t it just a good thing they are trying to improve themselves?

      “You still can not see we are working here, we work harder than Finns”

      Sweden has longer experience dealing with refugees than Finland. About 90% of refugees are unemployed after two years. Even after five years, most of them are still unemployed. There aren’t new statics about Finland’s situation yet, but it is fairly safe to say we are speaking about the same kind of numbers. So, how exactly refugees are working harder than Finns? I know there are some hard working people, but the majority of them are not working at all.

      “I dont pay for undelicious Finnish food! i have talent ! i can feed me with my great and excellent foods!”

      Great news! Then you can buy and cook your own meals without spending taxpayers money 🙂 Everybody wins!

      “And there is nothing wrong with duunari? many Finns do that, many foreigners do that, because people need life and for life they need money !”

      Have I ever said working class would be less valuable than upper class? I respect all people who are willing to work for their living and paying taxes.

      “who is a president but still can not write English like me!”

      You are definitely right about that one. I don’t know anyone who writes like you do.

      “do you think young men should leave under bombardment?”

      Men have always, throughout history, stayed to fight and sent their families to safety during the war. Now these “refugee men” are going to safety and leaving their women and children under bombardment. You don’t question that decision one bit? Hell, even Syrian women accusing their men being cowards! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3263593/Syrian-wives-mothers-left-condemn-men-fled-country-ask-free-protect-wrong-leave-country.html

      “after you scammed them perfectly?”

      How I (or we) scammed you? Nobody invited you here or forced you to come. If your smugglers lied to you, it is their fault and your fault believing them.

      “A young man has soul too, and yet you dont mercy on woman and children and old men ”

      I guess there is a typo (dont = do), because I have told you already I preferred women, children and elderly as refugees? Otherwise the sentence doesn’t make sense.

      Your solution is to let every refugee to Finland, give them good food, nice accommodation etc., right? That sounds nice, but extremely naive. Can you tell me where exactly you would get the money for all this? Refugees are already costing Finland almost a billion euros per year and taxes are already extremely high. Most of them will never pay taxes to Finland. Why would we want to have MORE poor people living on welfare?

      “Okay if you are not brave, then you will leave Finland”

      Like I said, I wouldn’t leave Finland, if it meant I would leave my family behind. It is not act of braveness, but act of honour. I would do anything to get my family safety first.

      “Every refugee knows about finnish language at least a few sentences, but what about you? how many different language do you know? how many words of my and their mother tangue do you can speak?”

      I have lived abroad a couple of times, but never had the need to master the host language. Usually learning some common sentences have been enough. I don’t know what your mother tongue is, but most likely I don’t know a word of it. But why would I have to? I don’t live there and most likely I will never will visit the country.

      Have a lovely weekend 🙂

  7. Finland is a hateful country

    Joonas sure you must wish me a lovely weekend because i made your brain to shake, 1 2 3 , i won as usual , applause applause for me ! actually i made an earthquick in your brain! and dont forget to thanks Mt because it has real news and many truth for you all the time ! but your positive wish does not come true for me because you believe in nothing and zero! goodness and empathy actually are most important things which you are not aware at all. when you believe in nothing then your wishes goes to nothing !

    I always do good job, even without your bite, because i know whats the meaning of life !

    Yes your Fair enough, what about your English when you talk? and what benefit has for you when you never can learn any thing good? you read Mt every single day, but you never open your eyes, still you are working against mercy and justice and still you try to teach others your own ways!

    Yes IQ has many thing to do with empathy and kindness, love and positive energy, if you are not able to understand about humanity, about pains that other people are suffering with it, then you need to clean your IQ from all dust and negative waves that your government and media did spary on your barin! clean it with love ( i know you cant find it in Finland for love is unknown in this country ) however you can try to love yourself, then maybe you can love those young men who are not safe in Iraq and other war zone areas. when you judge refugees all the time and when you try to attack them with social welfare matter, when you dont know whats situation in Iraq, when you never talked with one of them face to face, when you can not feel their pains and experiences, then your IQ is really under control, you are brain washed, Finnish politicians made a good job on your head which makes you to measure every thing with money and TAX .

    What do you know about logic, mathematic? sure nothing, maybe a few theory, Logic has many things to talk about, logic says to you: dont follow racist people, dont support harsh ideas, dont repeat your hate against painful souls!
    And mathematic has logic in itself too !
    You try to show yourself a person who is living and working with science , who is educated and better than others, who can understand every single matter just from miles with any contact in reality and he does not need face to face talk , who has a great race, who never makes mistake and is completely perfect, who has right to judge poor people under bombardment, who is not happy to share a few days peace with those are in war zone, …
    Who explain his ideas with prejudice, …

    Your world is money and tax no more no less, i pay tax too, many pays, many refugees, foreigners, immigrants , so for what are we paying tax? for beer? for Sauli Niinistö to lives in happiness with his wife who has a chick peas brain? for his parties and foods, for his hate speechs against us? for drunk people, for many lazy workless Finns, for your women to give birth every year to a new child? for what? for tax that goes to politicians‘s pocket for attack us better and more and more? for police to attack us in streets?in prisons, in camps? in tents under sky? in shops and your people watching us? for what do i pay tax?

    Dont you think that science is changing all the time, they say something today and they say something against it tomorrow, why?

    ?Refugees are already costing Finland almost a billion ? so this is logic and mathematic? what kind of porridege costs a billion? or living in streets costs a billion?

    Many of smugglers are here and are Finn! and you have no idea about smugglers at all.

    Tax payers pays their tax for politicions‘s vacation and Niinistö, Timo Soini, Juha Sipilä, HAlla Aho‘s expensive cars( which you never could touch them ) not for my food !

    What Sweden has to do with Finland? i thought Finland is an independent country, but i see you folllow other counries like slave and you can not make decisions for yours ! copy copy copy, how long?
    And who said that Swedish news are correct and right?
    Why you dont copy good things and good people, but just cruel ones?
    Why can not you wish good things for refugees ? even a few positive words, and why you have this much hate for people who came here for peace???
    How many times you met a refugee and you were talking with him without prejudice and face to face ? have you heard any thing about their life with ISIS?
    But your government is a number one terrorist, its doing worse than ISIS and is in union with ISIS! soon or late you will understand this .
    You are talking against poor refugees Joonas and
    I will not shake hand with those who are working against human‘s soul and my chin is up, always up !

  8. Joonas

    It seems I cannot continue this discussion, because MT declined to publish my writings. It would be interesting to know why exactly I’m under the moderation, but “Finland is a hateful country” is not, considering all his hate speech towards Finns and Finland?

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