How a ban on asylum seekers visiting schools/childcare centers in Oulu, Finland, should work in order for it not to be illegal

by , under Enrique Tessieri

THIS STORY WAS UPDATED

One interesting question about the ban on asylum seekers visiting schools and childcare centers is if it is legal. Even if this only applies to guided tours, it does raise some problematic questions about discrimination. 

Migrant Tales has heard from sources in Oulu that the ban on asylum seekers also includes public swimming halls of that city. The City of Oulu denies that the ban on asylum seekers applies to public swimming halls.

Section 6 of the Constitution states the following:  “Everyone is equal before the law. No one shall, without an acceptable reason, be treated differently from other persons on the ground of sex, age, origin, language, religion, conviction, opinion, health, disability or other reason that concerns his or her person.”

This is pretty clear, right?


Can somebody find the statement by the City of Oulu about the ban on asylum seekers? The city never put out a statement about their plans to ban asylum seekers from visiting schools and childcare centers.

What does Section 6 mean? It means that if there is a ban, like the one in Oulu, it must apply to everyone.

Martin Scheinin, who is a professor of international law and human rights and a UN Special Rapporteur on human rights and counter-terrorism, agrees.

“A short answer: if the City of Oulu invites adults to visit childcare centers but bans refugees, asylum seekers, or even Mexicans and Catholics, it would be discriminatory. I read and got the impression from some statement that all visits [to childcare centers and schools] would be stopped. It would then be over-reaction but not discriminatory.”

Scheinin’s answer, which he responded in an email, tells us something that we all know: The law must apply to everyone, no questions, no buts.

Here is my question to the City of Oulu: Does the ban apply to all visits to such places? If asylum seekers are reportedly banned from going to swimming halls as we have heard, are all people being banned from going except for one group?

This story will be updated.

 

  1. intternetnetsi

    Ban was to one swimming hall for month and for one 16-17y asulymseeker “housingplace” to teach them that what swimming hall is for. Not for going womans side to ogle people shovering or just standing around swimming pool ogling people in swimsuits. And yes they were warned and teached and told and it continued anyways.

    • juhis88

      Oh come on… Boys are boys. Didn’t you ever visit swimming halls as a teenage to gaze the semi-naked bodies of women and girls of your age?

      Those boys didn’t do anything wrong, they just followed their biology which is completely healthy. 😉

    • Yossie

      Juhis88

      Way to normalize sexual harrasment. Your reaction and attitude proves why there is a ban and why it is needed.

  2. intternetnetsi

    And there is no ban to schoolvisits, they just stopped doing those because parents found out it was happening. One currently jailed was in visiting groups and parents dont want them around their kids.

  3. Joonas

    I find it quite disturbing they have been visiting elementary schools and childcare centers in general. They should always do background checks for adults who are going to be close contact with small children (which is usually done, but not in this case) and childrens’ parents should be informed. Most refugees don’t have even a passport and have discover even some rare diseases among them (such as tuberculosis)! Do you really want to risk your child’s health?

    And why only refugees are visiting those places and not other foreigners or Finnish people? What is the benefit of it? Wouldn’t it be better to make them visit work places to see Finnish working culture?

    • juhis88

      I see it that it is equally if not even more important for kids to meet people from different backgrounds. Meeting a refugee at the childcare centers is only way for some kids to meet refugees and to make their own image of them. Some kids have no contact with refugees or migrants at all and only thing they learn about them is at home from their parents who often might be racists.

      I would have continued the program of asylum seekers visiting childcare centers.

    • Yossie

      Juhis88

      Are you equally concerned about refugee children meeting adult finnish males? Of course without their parents present and them having no say what so ever to any of it. Chilren need to meet finns after all and make their own image. Maybe we should start organize these trips. If any refugee center or any of parents refuse, then we can start moaning about how constituation guarantees us equal Access to children right?

    • Joonas

      “and only thing they learn about them is at home from their parents who OFTEN might be racists.”

      And who is now generalizing? I believe many kids, especially in capital area, are seeing and meeting people with different etchnic backgrounds and also learning through (non-Finnish and Finnish) media.

      “I would have continued the program of asylum seekers visiting childcare centers.”

      Why kids needs to mixed with this? Just for your ideological reasons? Don’t you think refugees and Finns would benefit it more, if they would visit work places? There they could chat and exchange their world views and even establish friendships.

  4. Migrant Tales

    Interesting thoughts about this ban, which in my opinion is discriminatory. Ever thought that all of this happened, sexual assaults, under the police’s and social workers’ watch? Ever thought that it is easier to blame suspects than your own incompetence? And what we forget in this debate is that the great majority of sexual assaults are committed by Finns.

    • Joonas

      “Ever thought that it is easier to blame suspects than your own incompetence?”

      From my opinion the criminal is always first to blame. Police and social workers can’t monitor all kind of activities that happens in potential victim’s life, but we can make changes to policies trying to prevent this kind of horrible things from happening. It is a good step forward not allowing adults, without proper background checks, meeting kids in kindergardens or schools. If kid’s parents wants to kids to meet refugees, they can do it in their own time and have the responsibility of kid’s safety.

      “And what we forget in this debate is that the great majority of sexual assaults are committed by Finns.”

      Nobody is minimizing the rapes done by native Finns, but even you probably can see the problem, if certain group of people are committing over half of the rapes in capital area, whole country over 30% and all sexual assaults 25%, even the group is less than 1% of the population. And that’s is excluding naturalized Finns. Or do you deny this happening? Why only certain group of people are overrepresented in these statics? What would be your solution to prevent these things happening?

    • Joonas

      It seems there is some kind of censorship system which is triggered by certain words. I don’t think censorship is benefiting anyone in discussions. Let’s try again:

      “Ever thought that it is easier to blame suspects than your own incompetence?”

      From my opinion the criminal is always first to blame. Police and social workers can’t monitor all kind of activities that happens in potential victim’s life, but we can make changes to policies trying to prevent this kind of horrible things from happening. It is a good step forward not allowing adults, without proper background checks, meeting kids in kindergardens or schools. If kid’s parents wants to kids to meet refugees, they can do it in their own time and have the responsibility of kid’s safety.

      “And what we forget in this debate is that the great majority of se_xual assaults are committed by Finns.”

      Nobody is minimizing the ra_pes done by native Finns, but even you probably can see the problem, if certain group of people are committing over half of the ra_pes in capital area, in whole country over 30% and all se_xual assaults 25%, even the group is less than 1% of the population. And that’s is excluding naturalized Finns. Or do you deny this happening? Why only certain group of people are overrepresented in these statics? What would be your solution to prevent these things happening?

  5. intternetnetsi

    I “had” to pick up my cousins, female cousins couldnt make anything out of that. I decided i will do that. My work ended in 17 so i were in there in few minutes.

    They called my uncle and kids running in my legs that “onkko came”. Uncle said “of course”

    I explained as nice i could that other ways was out of possibilities. And uncle was in phone.

    In daycare they asked how im there.

    I didnt tell their unorganised stuff and shitload other problems. I did what 4y old needed.

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