Finland’s darkest period: 2011-15

by , under All categories, Enrique

In the future, when Finnish historians of different ethnic backgrounds look at the present parliamentary term 2011-15,  they will most likely conclude that it was the darkest period for Finland and immigrants in the new century.  A prelude to this sombre period were  the municipal election of 2008 and how it reflected a shift in the national mood. 

It would be naive, even an exercise in self-deceit, to claim that the Perussuomalaiset (PS) party isn’t one  obvious culprit. The municipal elections of 2008 and 2003, when PS MP Tony Halme was elected to parliament,  speak volumes about how racism and xenophobia started to lift their heads in this country.

Despite being one of the worst periods in our recent history, where some groups and politicians aim to make racism and xenophobia as normal and acceptable as karjalanpiirakka, it has brought out the best in some of us. For some, like Migrant Tales, it has been a clarion call.

If this period has brought out the best in some of us, it has brought out the worst as well.

Some regretful examples come form of silence and lack of leadership by the Finnish media and some politicians. The success of the PS in the April elections is proof of the inarticulateness, complacency and even the flirting of these two groups with anti-immigration parties and groups.

The PS has provided us with monthly scandals beginning with MP Teuvo Hakkarainen’s first day in parliament to the recent suggestion by councilman Tommi Rautio’s  to give a medal to a cold-blooded killer.

A word of advice to anti-immigration extremists: Everything you write will come under scrutiny by future generations. Those future generations, which will be made up of Finnish researchers from different ethnic backgrounds, will highlight the racism and xenophobia that inflicted part of our society today.

When they give their lectures at our universities on ethnic studies or history, they will show to their students the shameful evidence left in the writings of numerous anti-immigration politicians like PS MP Jussi Halla-aho and his Suomen Sisu crowd, for example.

Time will increase the shamefulness of these racist writings. What is written today by some of these racists will look eerily similar to what some groups wrote about blacks during the U.S. Civil Rights Movement of the 1950s and 1960s. Recognizing this will be the first important step in liberating our society from the illness that has inflicted it.

  1. sasu

    Kiitti kun mainiksit minun kysymyssarjani. Tulee olemaan mielenkiintoisaa kun perussuomalaiset tulevat häviämään eduskuntavaalit ja miten suomi reagoi siihen.

    Tietty on mahdollista että perussuomalaiset voittavat kunnallivaaleissa avainkunnat itselleen ja sitä kautta saavat hyvän pohja kannatuksen. Siitä he voisivat teoriaksa voittaa eduskuntavaalit.

    Jos perussuomalaiset häviävät, se ei tule tarkoittamaan rasismin loppua, mutta ehkä maahanmuutto vastaisuuden loppua.

  2. Seppo

    Sitten tämä vasta mustaksi menee, jos perussuomalaiset saavat joskus oikeaa valtaa, eivätkä vain hölmöile oppositiossa. En kuitenkaan usko näin käyvän.

    Perussuomalaiset ovat onnistuneet vaikuttamaan negatiivisesti asenneilmapiirin, mutta eivät onneksi vielä mihinkään konkreettisiin poliittisiin päätöksiin.

  3. eyeopener

    The problem with accepting xenophobia, racism, sexism and all other kinds of isms is that it becomes a natural and acceptable way of being. It roots in already existing forms of “making a difference natural, undisputed”. Like you hear many times people say and accept these differences as a fact. And that these differences permit people to treat others differently, negatively.

    Unless dismasked, disapproved and challenged the behavior derived from this treatment becomes “normal”.

    Therfore, social developments as racism etc. grow towards unacceptable demonstrated behaviors especially when supported by “role-models” like PS. But also where other “role-models” deny to comment negatively on these developments.

    As far as history has shown xenophobia, racism and others will not be criticized by religious organizations, political parties etc. Maybe or even certainly because these organizations deeply believe these upcoming, anti-social developments are alright.

    It is not ignorance but downright denial that all people are human entitled to the same rights. It’s the arrogance of the Übermensch” that allows for the existence of racism etc.

    One way or the other……. People who deny their history will have to relive it again. I sincerely hope that the people who allow (passively or actively) racism to become “normal” realize their future. Nobody, individual, group or organization, will not be able to walk away from it with consequence.

    As so many people already have found out that “Ich habe es nicht gewusst” ( I didnot know)did not work then, does not work today and will not work in the future.

    My Finland is International.

  4. D4R

    Sasu: Jos perussuomalaiset häviävät, se ei tule tarkoittamaan rasismin loppua, mutta ehkä maahanmuutto vastaisuuden loppua.

    Olet oikeassa. Minun mielestäni, jotta kanta asukkaiden negatiiviset mielelipiteet ja ennakkoluulot hälvenisi, on päättäjien tehtävä työtä siihen eteen. tarvitaan myös keskustelu ohjelmia kanta-asukkaiden ja maahnmuuttajien kesken, kuten briteissä ja muissa sivistyneissä maissa tehdään. tällä hetkellä näyttää siltä että ei paljon kiinnostusta löydy, mutta paljon ääntä menee populismille ja muukalaisvihalle, mikä on mielestäni aika surullista, siihen nähden että, Suomi luokittelee itsensä sivistyneeksi maaksi.

  5. Rocker

    PERUS SUOMALAISET are not really SUNDAY-SCHOOL boys or girls.

    Matti Putkonen rape
    Pentti Oinonen drunk and drunk and driving, illegal possession of gun

    others: thefts, credit-card frauds, assault where the victim was paralized, child sexual abuse, drug abuse, threat and so on.

  6. D4R

    Rocker. PERUS SUOMALAISET are not really SUNDAY-SCHOOL boys or girls.

    Matti Putkonen rape
    Pentti Oinonen drunk and drunk and driving, illegal possession of gun

    others: thefts, credit-card frauds, assault where the victim was paralized, child sexual abuse, drug abuse, threat and so on.

    The ones who gave votes to these numskulls, are the ones to blame of why exconvicts are now running in the parliament.

  7. Rocker

    There is one conviction for racism on PS. James Hirvisaari last December (2011), district court: not guilty, appeal court: guilty. Hirvisaari: let’s see how it goes but most likely i will ask for the supreme court’s decision.

    What do you mean by running in the parliament?

    • Migrant Tales

      Hi Asterix Bergerbaum and welcome to Migrant Tales.

      –I’m so sorry you have to see this.

      It was a sad wretched period in Finland’s history in the new century. That is how some researchers will write about the PS victory in April 2011 and how it ended in 2015.

  8. Rocker

    aren’t they all in if they were the 3rd biggest party in the elections, nearly as many votes as the second biggest party?

  9. D4R

    Rocer: aren’t they all in if they were the 3rd biggest party in the elections, nearly as many votes as the second biggest party?

    I don’t get your question, but what i amsaying is that, alot of P.S members hold a criminal record, and we got them influencing in the parliament, and that’s my concern.

  10. Farang

    D4R, if you would check the similar issues from other parties aswell, you’d notice that there are people with criminal records in almost all parties. It just suits your agenda better to mention only that PS representatives have criminal records. You are so dishonest, it would make me sick… if I’d care 🙂

  11. Rocker

    D4R

    ”I don’t get your question, but what i amsaying is that, alot of P.S members hold a criminal record, and we got them influencing in the parliament, and that’s my concern.”

    Have you ever heard of that humans are not perfect? Migrant Tales can teach you on that.

    Keskusta has also a rather heavy load in crimes, are they also ”numskulls?” Is it cooincidence that Mari Kiviniemi from Keskusta wants to reduce the publicity of crimes among politicians? 🙂 Mari is sexy but sometimes so helplessy fo””sh.

    • Migrant Tales

      Hi Hassan and welcome to Migrant Tales. Your question, “there will always be racism,” raises a lot of questions.

      Do you accept that there will always be racism or do you want to do something about it? That is the question we should ponder: How do we confront and address a social ill like racism.

      If we accepted matters like racism as an invincible fact about our societies, nothing would change. And think for a moment were we’d be if we just accepted the worst matters about ourselves. There would be very little progress.

  12. makeadifference

    ”A word of advice to anti-immigration extremists: Everything you write will come under scrutiny by future generations. Those future generations, which will be made up of Finnish researchers from different ethnic backgrounds, will highlight and underline the racism and xenophobia that inflicted part of our society today.”

    If you want to create further inequality in the Finnish society this advice is correct. Foreigners living in Finland are judged for racism 10 times more than the Finns.

  13. Rocker

    D4R

    The PS doesn’t have a strong position in the Finnish government as you stated earlier. They are NOT in the government. Opposition-parties have nearly NO influence on the government.

    ”Meaning, they have a foot in the parliament.”, I would say that they have two feet in the parliament. ”but what i amsaying is that, alot of P.S members hold a criminal record, and we got them influencing in the parliament, and that’s my concern.”

    May be somebody can help here, since I do not understand.

    Is the criminal Keskusta also influencing in the parliament?
    Conservatives, the prime minister Jyrki Katainen is convicted for economical fraud along with his many colleagues. Justice Demon highlighted in ”Finnish police confirm ethnic background of second death on Friday” how bad economical crimes are. Is the major part of voters also ”numskulls” in Finland?

  14. Hassan

    I accept that my only way to tackle racism is a full no. Meaning, not talking so much of what I think of it or what I feel should be done or what I think others should do.

    As the discussion showed in the link mentioned earlier out of more than 1000 comments there were not so many that gave anything constructive.

  15. D4R

    Rocker: The PS doesn’t have a strong position in the Finnish government as you stated earlier. They are NOT in the government. Opposition-parties have nearly NO influence on the government.

    They were in the goverment but they folunteerily end up in opposition.

  16. Rocker

    please explain me and for how long PS were in the government when you said that they still are there. You said on the 6th of March:

    D4R

    March 6, 2012

    ”Peter is right, dont expect non from räsänen. The reason why räsänen and other politician are quiet is cause of losing votes and position. P.S HAS STRONG POSITION IN THIS COUNTRY and in the goverment. Some of them are racist and other poltician will not do anything about it, even the ones who’re responsible of immigration policy. It’s a shame that Finland takes in immigrants but will not grant protection to them untill they’re harmed.”

  17. makeadifference

    What do you guys feel about what Denmark has done?

    The Danish parliament 97-7 voted (June 2011) in favour of deportation on immigrants who receive a jail-sentence. Family ties does not impact the decision of deportation.

    Could be good to get same to Finland?

    • Migrant Tales

      makeadifference, you seem to be hellbent on making a very negative difference. When did the election take place in Denmark? Hmmmm. You seem to have the same symptom as farang. You want two different laws for immigrants and Finns, right? Please be honest because uncovering red herrings is one of our fortes.

  18. Farang

    D4R: “They were in the goverment but they folunteerily end up in opposition.”

    Are you drunk? PS was never in government.

    • Migrant Tales

      Farang, stop being mean. D4R meant to say they were invited to the government but voluntarily ended up in the opposition.

  19. makeadifference

    Migrant Tales

    ”makeadifference, you seem to be hellbent on making a very negative difference. When did the election take place in Denmark? Hmmmm. You seem to have the same symptom as farang. You want two different laws for immigrants and Finns, right? Please be honest because uncovering red herrings is one of our fortes.”

    See in brackets:

    ”What do you guys feel about what Denmark has done?

    The Danish parliament 97-7 voted (June 2011) in favour of deportation on immigrants who receive a jail-sentence. Family ties does not impact the decision of deportation.

    Could be good to get same to Finland?”

    • Migrant Tales

      –Could be good to get same to Finland?”

      Finland already does this. So you want Finns to send their convicted criminals to Siberia? If you look at Finland, prison sentences are light compared with countries like the United States. It’s a different way of looking at punishment.

      Here is something that Anna María Gutiérrez-Sorainen wrote on Uusi Suomi:
      Suomi karkottaa jo rikollisia.

      149 § (23.3.2007/358)

      Maasta karkottamisen perusteet

      Maasta voidaan karkottaa oleskeluluvalla oleskellut ulkomaalainen:

      1) joka oleskelee Suomessa ilman vaadittavaa oleskelulupaa;

      2) jonka on todettu syyllistyneen rikokseen, josta on säädetty enimmäisrangaistuksena vähintään yksi vuosi vankeutta, taikka jonka on todettu syyllistyneen toistuvasti rikoksiin;

      3) joka on käyttäytymisellään osoittanut olevansa vaaraksi muiden turvallisuudelle; taikka

      4) joka on ryhtynyt taikka jonka voidaan aikaisemman toimintansa perusteella tai muutoin perustellusta syystä epäillä ryhtyvän Suomessa kansallista turvallisuutta vaarantavaan toimintaan.

      Ulkomaalainen, jolle on Suomessa myönnetty pitkään oleskelleen kolmannen maan kansalaisen EY-oleskelulupa, voidaan karkottaa maasta vain, jos hän muodostaa yleiselle järjestykselle tai yleiselle turvallisuudelle välittömän ja riittävän vakavan uhan.

      Maasta voidaan 1 momentin 2 kohdassa säädetyllä perusteella karkottaa myös ulkomaalainen, joka on jätetty syyntakeettomana rangaistukseen tuomitsematta rikoslain 3 luvun 4 §:n nojalla.

      Pakolaisen saa karkottaa 1 momentin 2–4 kohdassa tarkoitetussa tapauksessa. Pakolaista ei saa karkottaa kotimaahansa tai pysyvään asuinmaahansa, johon nähden hän on edelleen kansainvälisen suojelun tarpeessa. Pakolaisen saa karkottaa vain valtioon, joka suostuu ottamaan hänet vastaan.

  20. makeadifference

    Did you mean to say ”smoked herring”, if you didn’t taste it, I tell you it’s pretty good. June is kesäkuu in Finnish, (j)Juni in Swedish and German and juin in French.

    Why are you asking if you discussed this already on Migrant Tales last summer? Bad memory?

    ‘http://nemoo.wordpress.com/2011/06/26/euronews-automatic-deportation-for-foreign-criminals-in-denmark/’

    Well, Finns are loosing on the deal, they can get deported from Denmark for taking the sweet lifestyle+the criminal lifestyle. It could be emphasized that nobody forces you to commit criminal acts.

    Please see:

    The initiative came from the Venstre (left) not the DPP that you might believe. Copy paste the headline into google/browser, I did like this so it takes less space.

    ‘Tanska karkottaa sosiaalituen saajia’
    ‘Ny stramning: Alle kriminelle udlændinge skal udvises’
    ‘Tanska haluaa karkottaa ulkomaalaiset rikolliset maasta’
    ‘Danmark utvisar kriminella invandrare’
    ‘Automatic deportation for foreign criminals in Denmark’

    and also

    ‘Tanska aikoo karkottaa kaikki rikoksiin syyllistyvät ulkomaalaiset’ (video)

  21. makeadifference

    if you ask the question again in Finland where immigrants are overreprested in some criminal statistics, ”Finland’s darkest period: 2011-15 ”

    -poor politicians
    -defiant immigrants and their supporters

  22. Rocker

    Migrant Tales

    ”Farang, stop being mean. D4R meant to say they were invited to the government but voluntarily ended up in the opposition.”

    D4R has no other agenda than to chase perus suomalaiset. He does not know what is the Finnish parliament and government.

    May be you could show him, take his hand and walk him to the parliament? What about confessing that I did wrong/said wrong instead of defending arguments that lack any ground?

    • Migrant Tales

      –D4R has no other agenda than to chase perus suomalaiset. He does not know what is the Finnish parliament and government.

      Isn’t that his right like yours to “chase” immigrants? Rocker, I think your comment is pretty insulting. Certainly he knows. But do you know what the difference of an immigrant group and an immigrant individual is?

  23. D4R

    Farang: D4R: “They were in the goverment but they folunteerily end up in opposition.”

    Are you drunk? PS was never in government.

    What i meant was, P.S were invited to the goverment, having received so much votes and then ending up in the opposition volunteerily. Im sorry for the earlier mistake, english is not my mother toungue, im still in a learning process. Also they get alot of recognition among Finns.

    • Migrant Tales

      D4R, you don’t have to apologize for anything. Sensible people on this blog understood what you said.

  24. makeadifference

    justicedemon

    When I googled myself into Migrant Tales my eyes saw a false statement that was made by you ”Työeläkettä ei kustanneta verovaroilla”

  25. makeadifference

    D4R

    Fair enough ”What i meant was, P.S were invited to the goverment, having received so much votes and then ending up in the opposition volunteerily. Im sorry for the earlier mistake, english is not my mother toungue, im still in a learning process. Also they get alot of recognition among Finns.”

    You said also ”P.S HAS STRONG POSITION IN THIS COUNTRY” Country is probably a word you can’t misunderstand.

    Comments?

  26. Rocker

    Migrant Tales

    ”Farang, stop being mean. D4R meant to say they were invited to the government but voluntarily ended up in the opposition.”

    Why do you think they ended up in opposition?

    • Migrant Tales

      The PS ended up in the opposition due to a miscalculated risk by Soini. He didn’t have any credible people who could be ministers and he knew that they lacked experience. A few months would have made him look bad. So he took a calculated risk: stick it out in the opposition and grow into the biggest party in Finland. It was a bad dcision: The PS didn’t go north in the polls but went south.

  27. Rocker

    They actually went north.

    April-elections they made 19,1 %. June polls 23 %, December polls 19,9%. It is the recent scandals that have caused a sharp fall, February 16,5 %.

  28. Hassan

    D4R

    You said ”english is not my mother toungue, im still in a learning process”, you should not underestimate yourself. I think your English is pretty good. here a few samples.


    ”I believe natives attaitude to immigrants is a big factor of why many immigrants feel socialy excluded.”
    ”Hay man, we dont need your bull statistics, you cant take that back to your deluded hommaforum gangs.”
    ”Statistic in your deluded minds . I kno what type of person you’re, ive been studying your kinds of racist in paltalks like Iltalehti and Iltasanomat”
    ”I AM A SOMALI AND I WOULD NEVER DROP NO PASSENGERS, BECUS THEY HAVE A DOG, OR ARE DRUNK OR EVEN A SWINE WITH THEM, SO YOU’RE A LIAR.”
    ”i suspect they were racist bigoted like you.”
    ”Somalis too have their bad apples, just like Finns do. How many finns kill eachother, or kill their family, or rob kiosk. How many finns molest children, how many finns shoot innocent people, and the list goes on. Hannu, I am asking you a question, Are you one of those that i mentioned?”
    ”BYTHEWAY I THINK POLICE ARE BREAKING THE LAW, FOR PUBLISHING PEOPLES PERSONAL CRIMINAL RECORDS, SO RACIST LIKE HANNU CAN USE IT AS RACIST AGENDA.”
    ”Hannu, ive been following your post to this threa, ive to say you’re a racist.”
    As for the “diversity” in the police force, what exactly prevents for example somalis to apply to the police academy and become police officers”
    ”Somalis living in Finland are law abiding, and they WOULD describe themselves as harmless.”

  29. makeadifference

    justicedemon

    If you make 40 000 thousand €, live in Helsinki, don’t belong to church and you are 17-53 years old (54 pay more työeläke/compulsory pension contribution) you will have the government/municipality assisting your pensions with 2060,00 €, giving automatic tax deduction on incomes from work (ansiotulovähennys kunnallis- ja valtioverotuksessa) that year.

    Provided that you work legally, not in the black market of course. 🙂

    Please see, http://prosentti.vero.fi/VPL2012/Sivut/Henkilotiedot.aspx and make your own calculation with your personal information to see how much the government and town are paying for your pensions.

  30. D4R

    Hassan, nice try. You’re a Finn, why are you caling yourself Hassan? so you’ve been checking on my writings huh? i must have touched your nerve to have your attention.

  31. D4R

    makeadifference: You said also ”P.S HAS STRONG POSITION IN THIS COUNTRY” Country is probably a word you can’t misunderstand.

    Comments?

    The only best comments you will receive is, by P.S having strong position would mean, how about them being the third big political party, that must say lot about how strong position they have in this country. I don’t usually get the time to post here all the time, that’s why it took me time to answer you back. In the future ill try to reply you quick.

  32. makeadifference

    Migrant Tales

    Are these two the same?

    ”In the future, foreign nationals who are convicted of a crime and sent to prison in Denmark will be automatically deported on their release. The controversial legislation sailed through parliament in Copenhagen by 97 votes to 7.”

    ja Finlandiassa

    ”jonka on todettu syyllistyneen rikokseen, josta on säädetty enimmäisrangaistuksena vähintään yksi vuosi vankeutta, taikka jonka on todettu syyllistyneen toistuvasti rikoksiin;”

    Automatically and may be, are those having an exact similar meaning? Sent to prison and vähintään vuosi, the same?

  33. eyeopener

    Hi D4R.

    “Hassan” is a coward!! He/she pretends to be a contributor to the discussion. However, He/she is an empty shell to disturb the discussion. Boeh!!

  34. justicedemon

    makeadifference

    Your observation on expulsion of Finnish citizens from Denmark implied that this country had withdrawn from the Nordic Council. I’m sure that you are simply ignorant of the reciprocal obligations that membership of the Nordic Council imposes, but it is not my job to educate you here.

    The Finnish earnings-related pension is not financed from tax revenues, but from mandatory contributions by employers and employees to statutory pension schemes administered by private insurance companies. Income tax relief is irrelevant to this, as the said contributions would be naturally deductible anyway. The eventual pensions paid are taxable income.

    You seem to be confusing the earnings-related pension with the national pension, but again it’s not my job to set you straight.

    Automatic expulsion is contrary to both ECHR and CCPR. It is impossible for Denmark to withdraw from these international commitments, so the only impact of the legislation is to send a signal that Denmark is a country that cannot be trusted to keep its international promises. This is a bit like swearing a solemn oath not to pay off your mortgage. Although the lender will not actually foreclose until you stop paying, don’t expect this kind of behaviour to improve your credit rating.

  35. makeadifference

    justicedemon

    Denmark can brake what they want, amoung many others.

    I doubt that you can educate me since you do not understand simple numbers.

    Here, I made it easy for you. The employer and the employee pays for the insurance and then it is deducted in taxes, easy.

    Ansiotulot 40 000

    Ansiotuloista tehtävät vähennykset

    Valtion- ja kunnallisverotuksessa tehtävät vähennykset
    Työeläkemaksut 2060,00

    http://prosentti.vero.fi/VPL2012/Sivut/LaskennanTulos.aspx

    You can do it in English.

  36. eyeopener

    Hi Hassan.

    What about answering my question!! Challenging people may be an activity you like. But avoiding the challenge from others seems to be your real behavior. COWARD!!

  37. Hassan

    eyeopener

    Drum disc, I say drum.

    eyeopener, how many percent are the Tyel deductions for ansiotulo (up to certain € and then up to certain €), how many percent is the mortgage deduction %?

  38. eyeopener

    Hi Hatessan.

    Are you drunk?? Looks like it.

    Turning tables like you always do when you have no answers.Hahaha 🙂

    Like I said: Take a hike and pee the tree. (Sorry for the tree)

  39. eyeopener

    And Hatessan……… do you think it really matters?? You can threaten with everything but you never will silence me!!

  40. Hassan

    eyeopenor

    ”The freedom of speech, as all constitutional rights, everywhere in the world, is NOT an absolute right. This freedom is relative and limited by the responsibility of people for other people.”

    So a death incitement don’t belong here?

  41. eyeopener

    Hi Hatessan.

    You are a real “nitwit!” An arogant “flash-hole”. A “totally-out-of-reality blooper”.

    Think of this and do it deeply. As far as your current shallownes goes. Your so much of defended “freedom of speech” has culminated in a couple of deaths of foreigners in Finland. Not to speak of the non-declared insults of victims of your so highlighted freedom of speech.

    Sorry that you will not agree but I expected you to deny. Super-trooper.

    When an opponent (I in this case) suggests this “same bigotry” you start to complain and threat with a court-case. I am not afraid of you, my dear friend.

    Listen Hatessan. You are probably blind on your left eye and deaf on the same side. This indicates a serious mental decease. Maybe you didnot recognize that but still I could advice you to see a “shrink”.

    Got it??

  42. eyeopener

    Hi Hatessan

    Hahahahahaha. That’s what you create yourself. Hate against foreigners.

    I am very happy you demonstrate your own behavior in attackiong me. Excellent no better proof of your violence against anybody who is different that you, Finns or foreigeners alike.

    Have I a violent eye?? What about your burning eyes of hatred that you don’t even know where it comes from?? Boeh!! Follower of fashion. No own opnion.

    You are a big guy hidding in the dark, shooting loud, accussing people.

    And… you accuse me of death threat of Mr. Soini. Picture the way you want it. Buit: TM DOESNOT TRIGGER DEATH THREATS. It never has and never will do.

    To confront you guys with your own cake -and you want full into the trap- was too much of cleverness to comprehend.

    Peanuts!!

  43. eyeopener

    Hatessan.

    Falling in the trap wasn’t so smart. But dropping your cloack was the worse thing to do. bloggers now know who you aer, the beliefs you represent and the opin ions you hold. De-masked!!

    You are a lousy person to use names of foreigner people to disguish your utterly disgusting beliefs.

    At least I could have respected a finnish cloack. But you are so disgusting to use foreigner names.

    No respect even for Finland.

    Even the forest don’t like you!! You piss the trees all the time.

  44. eyeopener

    Hi Rocker.

    It is clear to me who and what you are. Maybe an advice to you. Start studying law then you maybe maybe understand what you meanm by Killer.

    Do have have to cry now??

  45. D

    “they will look eerily similar to what racist groups wrote during the U.S. Civil Rights Movement of the 1950s and 1960s”

    You mean the civil rights movement that is directly responsible for turning my once great and prosperous city into a dystopia that is now too dangerous to live in because it has over 400 murders per year, 80% of which are committed by the 40% black population? Or are those murders the fault of the non-violent 60%?

    You have no right to a “civil rights movement” in Finland because it is a natural ethno-state. It was not founded as a multicultural society, and the Fins don’t deserve the opposing political groups formed by non-ethnic Fin immigrants. It makes zero sense as far as the self interest of Fins is concerned, and your political action is openly hostile and will create a politically unstable state. Trust me on that, as I have a lifetime pf experience in such an area and nation.

    Marxism is not a given in terms of applying it in every state in the world. You have no inherent entitlement to Finland, and neither does any other non-ethnic Fin. Period.

    • Migrant Tales

      –Marxism is not a given in terms of applying it in every state in the world. You have no inherent entitlement to Finland, and neither does any other non-ethnic Fin. Period.

      Says who? You? LOL!

  46. Hassan

    eyeopenor

    ”You are very persistent. Keep on doing that. You know……..it brings you nowhere!!”

    This is what it has brought.

    ”Could you explain your question? I think that my position in this is clear!! What obscures your mind??”

    ”You are accusing me of “killing Soini” or “at least try to create a environment”.You therefore should talk to me and not other bloggers here.

    Got that!! You seem to have a short memory or not one at all. You just fell into the open trap I had set for guys like you!! How does it feel??

    You think to defend the “piss-walls” in your own environment. But when you get your own cake you start to protest.

    Go to the police and make a formal complaint against me. Like to see you “correctness”.

    Take a hike and piss a tree!!”

    ”Hi MAD.

    Other forces?? Whoooah sounds I am a VIP in threat country. In my opinion the police should start taking a real effort of “taking you guys out” instead of people like me who set traps and cakes for “piss-wall” types like you.

    Consolidation from your side only triggers rigor in fighting your attitudes against the rights of foreigeners to speak their peace.

    I sincerely hope that the police come and talk with me about my “alleged threat”. And I hope they do as much effort in downplaying my threat allegation as they do with the current “far-right wing” threats!!

    Happy??”

    ”You have it wrong again. Mr. Tesseri has nothing to do with my language.

    If you challenge my use of language than do it to me. Big boy!!

    When I wrote my challenge about Mr. Soini I just used the same vocabulary that are in use in your environmants. Following the “freedom of speech” claims I did the same. Now all of a sudden you guys accuse me of death threats against Mr Soini.

    Simplicity is a joy forever. Satisfy yourself with such a “under-the-belt” approach in the discussion. As I know my rockers you don’t belong to their environment.

    Could you add some label to your name?? Something like Focker??”

  47. Hassan

    and…

    ”Ohhhhhhhh I am so hurt by these TM guys, the langusage they use, they way they humiliate me.Not very polite and accepting the way I am!!

    Get a hike please!!

    Who, my dear Focker, will you ask to file a complaint.
    For what offense, dear Focker will you ask these “THEY” to file a complaint?? Language?? You can make a horse laugh. But you always can try.

    Get back to your real senses. Discuss with us in a proper and decent way.

    You are welcome any time, not any way!!”

    ”If you have any dignity or respect for differrent opnions would you be so kind as to address people in this way.

    If not I take the freedom to address you in the way I think is appropriate to you.

    Agree??”

    ”You didnot get it still. Let me try again.

    I never incited the key of violence myself!! Secondly: I used the same way of threathing people as you and your fellows do.

    Now you point at me as ” the violent man”. Cool. I didn’t expect anything else because you are soooo predictaaaabbbbllleee!! You stae that the court will take care of my threat. Cool. Let’s wait and see.

    But……..still your violence against foreigners go on. And ACTUAL killings as well. You probably will not have anything to say about this, do you??………… Focker”

    ”You must have a very strong feeling that the court will sentence me. Reasons for this?? I have no expectations…………..But a hunch!!”

    ”The puck is where we want the TM to be. A place where a solid conversation can take place about the situation of foreigners in Finland. The good and the not so good things.

    We support those foreigners who seek a foothold in this country, contribute to their wellbeing and welfare. And to integrate them in an society that represents diversity. Irrespective the search of a Finnish identity Finland also has to realize that “forrests has an end”.

    This sense of belonging to a wider community has to grow, has to be educated, has to be promoted.

    We confront those people that oppose this future of Finland. I can understand the fears my opponents have. And contrary my opponents some of these feelings can be supported.

    However; these feelings can not allow for discrimination in any field of human being. Not between gender (sexism), not between single populations (anti-semitism, anti Saamitism and Romanism), nor betewen peoples in a wider sense(racism).

    That’s where the puck is!! We are “Sparta”!! 🙂 ”

    • Migrant Tales

      Do you have any idea how much violence racism fuels?

    • Migrant Tales

      Let me tell you about violence… On International Day (yesterday), UN warns about link between racism and conflict. Here is the link.

    • Migrant Tales

      Hey dude, why don’t you stop playing with an Arab name? Why do you do that? Is it to portray Arabs as buffoons? I’ve seen some cases where a Finn tries to pass for a foreigner and says a bunch of idiotic things. Is that why you try to portray yourself as an Arab?

      This makes no sense.

  48. Hazzan

    Migrant Tales

    Finns are intolerant, the police is baloney, you advocate Swedish bilingual system without really speaking Swedish yourself. TAKE THE COURSE B4 PREACHING OTHERS.

    PS are racists,though there are very little of convictions in comparison to foreigners, on PS a fraction (1 racist conviction on Hirvisaari 4 months ago what I have found) and you proudly discuss PS racists.

    There are not really that many things you like in Finland?

    • Migrant Tales

      Now where did I say that Finns are intolerant and police are baloney??? I said SOME Finns are intolerant and your interpretation of these statistics is baloney.

      Now answer this question: How many CONVICTED rape crimes are you speaking of? You should understand that nobody approves this type of behavior but misusing, deliberately misunderstanding and exploiting these statistics for your own agenda against immigrants is pretty lowly.

      If I would have grown up in Finland I would have taken Swedish. I didn’t but learned apart from English, Spanish, Finnish and Italian.

      SOME PS MPs are not only racists they are far-right extremists. Jussi Halla-aho was also convicted. Read Migrant Tales: Ever month we have written about some scandal of sorts from the PS. Ever heard of Teuvo Hakkarainen? What about Ulla Pyysalo? And Tommi Rautio? I could go on and on…

      Finland is my country and my home. There are many things I like about Finland. I don’t like racists, however, and far-right/populist bigots. Not my cup of tea.

  49. eyeopener

    HateSSan!!

    Zzzzzzzzzzz…………!! Remember, blablablablabla doesnot make your argumentation stronger.

    Ostrich would be a good picture when I think of you!! Bye bye birdie!!

  50. Hazzan

    ”eyeopener, do you think this Muslim impersonator can take the truth? I will tell him: The statistics used on Hommaforum and by characters like James Hirvisaari are simply phony baloney. In English baloney means lauantaimakkara.”

    what does this point to?

  51. Hazzan

    ”Now answer this question: How many CONVICTED rape crimes are you speaking of? You should understand that nobody approves this type of behavior but misusing, deliberately misunderstanding and exploiting these statistics for your own agenda against immigrants is pretty lowly.”

    didn’t I apologise or did you ignore your own comment?

  52. Hazzan

    ”SOME PS MPs are not only racists they are far-right extremists. Jussi Halla-aho was also convicted” for hurting religion yes, not for racism

  53. Hazzan

    Raiskaukset Suomessa – ”Ulkomaalaisten osuus pistää silmään

    Oikeusministeri Henriksson….

    ”Perusmuotoisen raiskauksen tekijöistä ulkomaalaistaustaisia oli 30 henkeä eli 34 prosenttia tuomituista. Törkeästä raiskauksesta tuomituista 13 henkeä eli 41 prosenttia oli ulkomaalaistaustaisia”

    These are convictions, Optulan tutkimus keskittyi vuosina 2006-2009.

    A foreigner is convicted 10-15 times more often than Finns.

    • Migrant Tales

      –A foreigner is convicted 10-15 times more often than Finns.

      Could you give me the exact number of convictions.

  54. eyeopener

    HateSSan.

    Your manipulation of “facts” is so transparent, of no academic value. No evidence etc. Once more: read the report you send me just a bit better. Not a deep effort and you will see a totally different picture!! A picture that you don’t want to see. Shallow man!! Beeeeeeeeeh!!

    Switching topics all the time pretending knowledge about “facts” and putting them in wrong environments, issues etc. Poor argumentation. Wellknown attitude in your cycles. No surprise for us. Shallow man.

    Do you actually know where you are talking about?? Or are you boozing?? This will go deep. Deep intoxication of bad bad bad intellectual booze. Keep on poisoning yourself.

    “Mental suicide is painless” (good song for your partner Focker; he will recognize my paraphrasing. Too difficult for you)

    Bye bye birdie!!

  55. eyeopener

    HateSSan.

    Trying to insult me is like carrying water to the sea. Shallow waters my dear friend. Maybe that where you get your KELA money from.

    Your use of statistics is fake, you know it, build on it!!! Mental suicide is painless as I said before.

    Bye bye birdie!!

  56. eyeopener

    Continue.

    “what kind of bluff and killer are you?” (yours!!) This is a nice example of distortion, misrepresentation and illogical thinking.

    First: When did I “bluff”? On what did I “bluff”?

    Second: what is your envisioned connection between bluff and killer?

    Third: Who did I kill? You seem to know. Are you GOD!!

    Blablablablabla!! Your thinking patterns are so predictable.

    Bye bye birdie

  57. eyeopener

    Dear HateSSan.

    Fiction or fact. You seem not to be able to seperate them. Keep your fiction life because you can’t live in reality any more. Sad, sad, sad.

    Your life seem to be oriented on death, killing, extermination…….

    Snowman!!

    Cold!!

  58. Hazzan

    sure, here how Somalis robbed for ten years, three times more than Finns.

    ”’Ryöstörikosten osuus somalien tekemistä rikoksista on poikkeuksellisen suuri[33]. Vuosina 1997-2006 ryöstöstä tai törkeästä ryöstöstä epäillyistä 4 prosenttia oli Somalian kansalaisia”

    ”Somalian kansalaiset ovat väkimääräänsä nähden rikostilastoissa yliedustettuina. Hannu Niemen tutkimuksesta voidaan laskea, että Suomessa asuviin Somalian kansalaisiin kohdistuvia rikosepäilyjä on väkilukuun suhteutettuna lähes kolminkertainen määrä suomalaisiin verrattuna.”

    http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suomen_somalit

  59. eyeopener

    Hi MT.

    Glad you say this. If Wikipedia is the source of your statements you really must be desperate to find a reason and an argument to state a claim.

    In my profession Wikipedia is respected as a “quick-search-for-orientation”. Never a source to use in academic sense

    HateSSan is obviously igniorant of this fact.

  60. eyeopener

    Yeah HateSSan

    Keep on evidencing your shallowness 🙂 You are an key example for the PS mentality. Hang on in this attitude and it will bring you DEFEAT. Sorrow and discomfort and marginalization of mind.

    Bye bye birdie

    • Migrant Tales

      Hey Finnish guy, what is your point? Are we some trash can for your hate and prejudices?

  61. Hazzan

    Migrant Tales

    -He Finnish guy, what is your point? Are we some trash can for your hate and prejudices?

    If you think so then you are free to do so

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