Comment: Here is a column published in the Tampere-based Aaamulehti that attempts to give credibility to Angela Merkel’s, David Cameron’s and Jutta Urpilainen’s statements that conveniently blame immigrants for not integrating. Fine, thank you Merkel, Cameron and Urpilainen. Now tell us what we have to do? Did you have a plan before you pinned the blame on immigrants? Are your statements only a ploy to hide the failures of present and past governments?
Aamulehti has become one of the most reactive dailies in Finland with respect to immigration. I always thought that the structure of a good editorial, and even a column, is the following: statement of problem, background information and solution. We have the first two in the column but there is nothing, absolutely nothing, on how to move forward.
When you read about the anti-immigration rhetoric, keep a close watch for solutions. Why are they missing? Because they have no credible plan to offer.
Here is a rebuttal to Cameron’s statements by Migrants’ Rights Network.
Do you agree?
Suomen sosiaalidemokraattisen puolueen puheenjohtajalla Jutta Urpilaisella, Saksan kristillisdemokraattisella liittokanslerilla Angela Merkelillä ja Britannian konservatiivisella pääministerillä David Cameronilla on ainakin yksi yhteinen piirre.
Continue reading the column by clicking here.
I think multiculturalism is a house of cards, an illusion. Europeans had started to realize this long ago, and most governments have tried to artificially hold it in place, but the failure is no longer ease to hide. There is so much one can do using thin air.
During the beginning, it must have worked quite well. Europeans moving around bringing their food, wines, music, etc. is something one should celebrate, but soon enough Muslims and Africans join the game and they brought with them child mutilation, rioting, honour killing, gender discrimination, anti-Semitism, terrorism, etc.
Solution? Well, that really depends. If you have an old vendetta against Finland you will be only interested in social reengineering, and for that multiculturalism is perfect, nothing works best. You’ll completely ignore all the multiculturalism’s destructive effect as much as you can, and when things are just too big to hide you’ll blame it on the Finns. You just need to do this until Finland gets an substantial number of ethnic minorities, after that you just give the “sorry it’s too late” excuse.
But if the best interest of Finland is your goal, it’s very clear that assimilation is the only solution. Forced assimilation like in France? Of course not, that would be worse. The best way is voluntary assimilation, but unfortunately not all groups of immigrants are willing to do this, that’s why assimilation only works together with a wise immigration policy.
Next election is coming and immigration is being a big issue. If you reject multiculturalism and want Finland to remain Finland, think wisely before you choose with party you’ll vote for…
–You’ll completely ignore all the multiculturalism’s destructive effect as much as you can, and when things are just too big to hide you’ll blame it on the Finns.
You, Tony, are a product of multiculturalism. You are alive because your parents left this continent when it was overcome by lunatics who had fairy tale race ideas. You are back here with education because of multiculturalism. You are here because your parents and grandparents moved about and found new homes. What you are doing now is that you want to take away that opportunity for others. Pretty ungrateful if you ask me.
You have not learned: only extremists like the neocons see other people as a clump of hate. Hatred of other groups is a pathological social state.
Enrique you say immigrants move to another country to better their lives. That’s true, but for a Somali or an Iraqi to move to Finland and settle there relying on welfare is a massive improvement in their quality of life from their homeland so they lack the incentives and motivation to gain employment and integrate as let’s say an European would.
You probably don’t know any Somalis do you. Great people. I have a lot of respect for them.
Enrique I live around 4 miles away from the largest settlement of Somalis in Europe (Shepherd’s Bush, London) so I know exactly what they are like more than you would ever know.
No Klay, you would know exactly what they are if you would live in the middle of them and not 4 miles away.
Enrique, what you described about me and my family is called immigration, not multiculturalism. Good immigration I celebrate, multiculturalism I fight against.
–Enrique, what you described about me and my family is called immigration, not multiculturalism.
Multiculturalism to me means respecting the laws of the land. Everyone is entitled to a part of society. You speak of assimilation. Fine. I believe it is unworkable.
Tony, and how do you explain your relationship with a Finn? You do not speak Finnish and she does not speak your language…so where is the assimilation here? I suppose you guys do speak English with each other?
Klay, the problem with Somalis is that not even other Muslims like them.
Enrique, last week my wife and I went to a Chinese restaurant here in Dun Laoghaire. They were celebrating the Chinese New Year, so all the restaurant was decorated and the staff wearing traditional clothes. There was dancing, music and the food was just marvelous. What a pleasure time we had in there.
The problem with you is that when talking about other cultures you generalize. Cultures are quite different from each others. Some are good, some are not that good. Some are compatible, some not that much…
–The problem with you is that when talking about other cultures you generalize. Cultures are quite different from each others. Some are good, some are not that good. Some are compatible, some not that much…
Generalize? Hmmm… I try to avoid that as much as I can. But here is the difference of perspective: I don’t believe that there are big differences between cultures. There are differences but the biggest ones are in between our ears.
Klay, the problem with Somalis is that not even other Muslims like them.
-The point is that some people are more conservative than others. You can find this in all religions.
Well, it looks like the buttons are about to fall off the coat of Tony the TobyJug.
What do you think the True Finns’ reaction will be to Nokia’s moving to Silicon Valley? Are they going to blame immigrants, refugees or both?
“What do you think the True Finns’ reaction will be to Nokia’s moving to Silicon Valley? Are they going to blame immigrants, refugees or both?”
How about you? Blame racism?
That’s when your failure to integrate will really bite you in the bottom, Tony the Toby.
Just remember your promise not to claim social welfare benefits. What will you do if the rest of your family insists on staying in Finland and there are no jobs in the new economy for unintegrated crypto-fascists?
-“You probably don’t know any Somalis do you. Great people. I have a lot of respect for them.”
So why they have not found work?
Oh yes, huge number of them have no useful skills. No speak, no behave. And then no qualifications.
How would such people benefit FINLAND? You always talk how immigrants want better life and yadda yadda BS BS.
Cool. Now as taxpayer and native of this land… I want CONCRETE benefits THEY PRESENT TO ME AND MY COUNTRY. I want to hear how they benefit this society and economy by bringing more positive to it than negative.
You suddenly run out of stuff because many immigrant (or rather refugee) groups have no useful skills for Finland and/or fail to respect local culture and law.
Result being that as group, they bring net negative impact through use of welfare (no skills) and crime (no respect for culture and law).
This is why “maassa maan tavalla” spreads all over. People are sick and tired of being forced to pay for “better life” of other groups, who then repay it with crime.
Want solution? Here is simple one.
1) Welfare/residence permit made to depend on two factors:
a) Show of constant progress in Finnish/Swedish
b) Employer voucher.
This way, you either have to put your ass to work to learn some basic skills needed in Finnish society OR have someone employ you as productive person to give you excemption.
2) Immediate deportation without appeal for crimes where maximum centence is 1 year in prison.
Because we just do not need more criminals here.
-“But here is the difference of perspective: I don’t believe that there are big differences between cultures.”
Which just shows you haven’t got a clue about cultures.
Are you aware for example that traditional islamic cultures view left hand as “unclean”? There is no such concept in western societies.
Or how about honor murder? Do you deny that this is very much cultural issue?
Let’s take the caste system of India. Not big difference? (their government is trying to work it away, but it is very much part of Indian society)
Or how about familiarizing yourself with South Korean cultural view on studies… Go read about SK when they are taking their entrance tests. It is a madhouse. Not big cultural difference?
Or culturally accepted corruption in many Latin-American/Mediterranean societies?
Cultural differences are massive when you bother to open your eyes and look at reality. And those differences are often incompatible. One or another cultura has to forfeit it’s tradition if they are to live together without fighting.
Tiwaz, you old Nazi
Substitute Jew for Somali in your ravings, and they could be quoted from Mein Kampf. The game is the same, only the target has changed (at least for public consumption – I’m sure your brownshirt friends have not changed their views about Jews).
Everyone has worked out that you are an unreconstructed fascist, Tiwaz. You deny this and try to hide it, but your agenda and style give you away every time.
I’m with Indiana.