Is Finland being threatened by terrorism?

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By Enrique Tessieri

Finland’s secret police, Supo, has recently warned about how terrorist groups such as Al Shabaab of Somalia are recruiting their nationals in Finland to fight in the bloody civil war of that troubled country. Such claims by Finland’s secret police  have been denied by Finland’s Somali League president Abridrshid Awad Dirie.

“I haven’t as president of the Somali League noticed any radicalization (of Somalis in Finland),” Dirie was quoted as saying in MTV3. “I respect Supo’s work but we have not noticed anything of the kind.”

Even though terrorism in any form or shape should be forcefully condemned by a society like ours, we should likewise not accept on face value statements of possible threats by agencies like Supo. If such affirmations are made, they should take into account the adverse impact on public opinion.

One of the matters that worries me most about these types of possible threat scenarios is that, apart from the fact that they have never happened in Finland, they effectively maintain a climate of mistrust and prejudice against visible immigrants in general and Somalis in particular.

Why didn’t Supo state that the overwhelming amount of Somalis that live in Finland are law-abiding residents and citizens of this country? Making such a distinction would have made a clear distinction between those Somalis residing in Finland and branding the whole group as a branch country of Al Shabaab.

Everyone who has had the opportunity to know Somalis will agree that some of them are the most eager to integrate into Finnish society. Our denial and inability to come to terms with our racism towards this group is a major obstacle.

As the aim of terrorism is to terrorize a society or group(s), governments and their agencies have used fear as an effective tool to advance their political agenda and greater spending on security.  The use of torture with the help of extraordinary rendition by the United States to interrogate suspects is a good example of how far countries can stretch the term “threat” to justify the means.

As most of us known, such measures only end up undermining our democratic institutions and serving the ends of these terrorist organizations.

It would be a welcome step if the public could have more information about what kinds of threats our society faces. These should be based on fact – not on general speculation.

  1. JusticeDemon

    Though I haven’t checked the situation lately, it used to be generally true to say that Somaliliitto represented the middle class Somali intelligentsia in Finland. I would not expect this organisation (or any other registered association working for Somali immigrants) to be an authority on underground movements in the Somali diaspora. Its strongest suit is the ability to engage in dialogue with the Finnish government and to command considerable respect and esteem among Somali immigrants for doing so.

    A fair way to read this news item is to say that Somaliliitto cannot confirm the views of SuPo, so I would take issue with your report that the organisation denies any claim on this subject. Journalists are trained to search for alternative views on a story, and Somaliliitto is relatively easy to contact and consult. A more thorough investigation would have at least consulted Somaliland seura as well, but stories grow cold and deadlines are pressing…

    This is a more measured reaction from Somaliliitto than occurred in the “Chinese espionage” case a few years ago.

    One interesting aspect of this latest “warning” concerns who SuPo are seeking to “warn”. The people involved in any such underground activities, if they even exist, will certainly be warned to take greater care to cover their tracks. It has not even been suggested that these activities constitute a threat to any specific target in Finland, and if this were the case, then it would be more effective to warn that target privately. In the absence of anything more concrete than a vaguely worded “warning”, we can only conclude that SuPo is again worried about cuts to its budget following bad publicity about workplace bullying, and is therefore keen to suggest that it provides some worthwhile return on the taxpayer’s investment, even though this return cannot be openly audited.

  2. Terrorist attack in Finland

    Most Islamic terrorists come from a very wealthy background and are very well educated so its not just those who are on the margins of society where this threat comes from .
    Muslims like Catholics have their religion forced upon them to the point where they are only able to see the world through religious view points .Where Catholicism can be hijacked to justify violence, Islam is a religion based around it.
    We can not stop religious terrorist by creating a more equal society its the religion that should be challenged,
    But we still have outdated blasphemy laws and laws which protect all religions but mostly are there because of the government’s fear of offending Islam which are undemocratically used. until theses laws are removed we can not fully challenge peoples religious views which could be corrupted by others. And this also removes peoples fears that certain religions are protected by the government and anyone who follows that religion should be avoided.

    • Enrique

      Hi Terrorist attack in Finland, thank you for you views. So you don’t think that by limiting religious freedom it would impact our democratic society? What happened in Northern Ireland between the Catholics and Protestants? And what about sending our “Christian” armies to Iraq and Afghanistan? You seem to forget how much violence our culture fosters globally. Ever heard and eye for an eye? Isn’t this fostering violence? But I guess that is ok as long as it is our violence. The best way to deal with fantatism is by creating oppotunities and equality in society. If we used your recipe, attack directly Islam, we would have on our front doors what we have globally. Didn’t George W. Bush declare war on Islam? Look at the consequences.

  3. Terrorist attack in Finland

    I am not saying we should declare war on Islam but extreme Islamic views have allowed to grow in Europe because of political correctness and those who promote theses views knew this and used it and this is what we may get in Finland as the number of Muslims grows and when the government’s fear of Islam gets stronger then they will apply more laws which are directly used to stop people speaking out against Islam and this will give more space for extreme views to grow.
    If you have a religious society then you must give the non religious citizens complete rights to oppose religion it if is sensible but offends some religion then the government have to accept that and not be oppressive because of their own fear.
    The fact this article is about Finnish Muslims and would never be about Finnish Catholics or Finnish Buddhists or even Finnish Jehovah witness show how Islam and European society are so opposed that there would be always be a issue with the both and what benefit to Europe would that be.
    Northern Ireland was seen as religious conflict and both sides where divided by religion but the real issue was land rights and what government should control the land which makes up Northern Ireland

    • Enrique

      Can I ask you a personal question: Why are you so concerned about the Muslims? How do they threaten you specifically? Have you many Muslim friends?

  4. Terrorist attack in Finland

    I don’t have a problem with Muslims I have a problem with Islam but the problem is people who follow Islam who call themselves Muslim who have brought Islam into Europe on a large scale.

    I know Muslims but would never call them friends, but those I do know have tended to embraced more Europe and it values rather than their religion for them its more personal freedom and me I its a sign of respect towards my European identity and values that they are willing to drop or push aside something which to follow in modern Europe is disrespectful to its values.

    • Enrique

      I would challenge some of your conclusions. One of these is that we have a monolithic European identity. This type of thinking has got us into a lot of trouble in the past. And the truth is that it is a myth. Europeans have mixed with many groups during its history. Are you stating that the only way to be “European” is by dropping your former culture? I personally believe that living in a society with diversity requires a great amount of civic knowledge, acceptance and above all respect. For some Otherness is not an issue while for others it appears to be a life-threatening issue. Another matter that is important to keep in mind is that most people that move to Europe want to be a part of society. They have dreams like all the rest of us and want to pursue them. If we have animosity and suspicion it is impossible to build anything meaningful. Like assimilation, it is not an effective solution. Integration is a two-way street.

  5. William O'Gorman

    This kind of news does nobody any good and it just adds fuel to the fire of those who wish to scaremonger and create an atmosphere of fear. I don’t know the source or the article in question so I cant comment directly on that.

    I guess my point relates to a bigger more subliminal message that can be easily created. Nobody wants terrorism (unless you are a freedom fighter yourself that is…) but if you start pointing the finger at a certain group without real evidence to back it up then that hole group is labeled. What is worse is that it builds on mistrust, ignorance and fear. I bet most people who fear this threat couldn’t even point out Somalia on a map!

    There was another story recently in YLE talking about that 9% of crimes in Finland are committed by foreigners. I found this funny. What good does this do for anybody? Now the story goes on to say more but the fact is the headline says it all.

    two other stories also related refer to : Terrorist Training a Punishable Crime (http://yle.fi/uutiset/news/2010/12/terrorist_training_a_punishable_crime_2229541.html)
    and

    Government: Low Terror Threat in Finland (http://yle.fi/uutiset/news/2010/12/government_low_terror_threat_in_finand_2226857.html)

    My point is not about the stories themselves but the manner and message they send to people. The big picture takes time to create and I am afraid the results are not going to be pretty.

    • Enrique

      –This kind of news does nobody any good and it just adds fuel to the fire of those who wish to scaremonger and create an atmosphere of fear.

      I totally agree and I believe that this is one of the biggest challenges to Finnish journalism: Stop being the mouthpieces of the the police world view of some national groups. If you think of it, such a news story does nothing to create good ethnic relations in Finland but reinforces racist attitudes towards a certain group. What worries me a lot is that no media is pointing this out. Probably JusticeDemon remembers when the first Somalis came to Finland in the early 1990s and what the tabloids wrote. It was fearmongering and fiction writing at its extreme. I wrote a big story about an asylum center in Mikkeli at the time and got for the first time in my life two death threats over the phone! Even though we have come a very long way from those days, the media is a reflection of what people think in general.

  6. JusticeDemon

    Taif

    … the problem is people who follow Islam who call themselves Muslim …

    As opposed to those who don’t?

    It’s one thing to be ignorant of a culture and religious tradition, but quite another to condemn it out of hand while knowing nothing about it.

    By a Terrorist attack in Finland, I assume you are referring to the actions of Eugen Schauman on 16 June 1904.

    • Enrique

      Well made point, JusticeDemon. As you can see by Terrorist attack in Finland’s comments there are a number of matters that bother me. One of these that Europe is teeming with radical Muslims. Looking at the situation in many countries in Europe, the problem are the rise of far-right and neo-Nazi groups.

  7. William O'Gorman

    So you are associting me with an IRA bombing ?Honestly I dont get your point. Explain please?How it your point relates to the post in general?Thanks!

    • Enrique

      William, I think JusticeDemon is pointing out how the Irish were once treated in England not too long ago.

  8. JusticeDemon

    I’m not associating anyone with anything, but at various times of “heightened alert” in the UK there were plenty of drivers with names like yours who fell into the DWI hole that you mentioned:

    if you start pointing the finger at a certain group without real evidence to back it up then that hole group is labeled

    It starts with “Could I see your driving licence, sir?” and rapidly progresses to extended detention while sniffer dogs are called to examine the vehicle, and all because of that O’ in the driver’s name. I was once involved in a sporting event that started 45 minutes late because the match officials were detained in this way.

    Your turn to play stooge again, William…

    • Enrique

      I totally agree with JusticeDemon and it is interesting that public officials like Supo, countless politicians and others continue to label whole groups. It never occurred to them that people are individuals not guided like robots by culture.

      Much of the racism that is upheld in Finland is done with the help of journalists.

  9. William O'Gorman

    But wasn’t the purpose of this post to discuss about Finnish media? So then how does it come down to how the Irish have been treated in the past? Finland is at a turning point when it comes to immigration and the threat of terrorism (has there ever been a terrorism threat here?) and I think that for some reason many news stories don’t seem to be very leveled and fair. I hope that in the future a more balanced picture will be presented by the press here.

  10. JusticeDemon

    lol@TonytheToby

    Your heroine: first on the loonie list. Thick as a brick and Tony the Toby agrees with every word.

    This will go in your SuPo file, Toby.

    Incidentally, Ricky, that remark in the third paragraph (“… a Somali, who …”) states that a specifically identified individual has “probably” committed a specific criminal offence, and it also defames a population group. You could face legal liability if Abridrshid Awad Dirie pursues this point, so it may come down to whether you are prepared to pay a fine to protect this Toby.

  11. JusticeDemon

    william

    The post (above the line) concerned a vague warning issued by SuPo, and the impact of such warnings on community relations.

    The media aspect was introduced by your good self, and I think this was fair comment.

    The Irish community in the UK certainly did suffer more than minor inconvenience because of an atmosphere of mistrust stirred up by some sections of the media.

    I referred above to the Bobrikov assassination, which would normally fit at least some definitions of terrorism. Of course there was also this incident in summer 2010.

  12. Enrique

    –Ok lets see if I got it right… SUPO comes and says the obvious – the same than to other countries in Europe, open door immigration to Muslims is bringing terrorism to Finland.

    I believe that our security in Europe is top notch and that groups that are Islamophobic would like to see more attacks because it would give them more political credibility. But I am sorry to disappoint you, Tony. The grand majority of immigrants that move to Europe want to find their place in society and make something out of themselves. The simplistic analogy that you make that one religious group is synonymous to terrorism is not only wrong it is wreckless. If you care to look towards the Middle East you can ask yourself where the greatest amount of war, death and destruction has taken place.

    I believe we already established by fact that Muslim terrorism is a minor problem in Europe. The biggest culprits are groups like ETA and other independence groups.

    Whenever a group like Supo labels a whole group without clearly identifying the real cuplrits are, the end result is mantaining racism towards Somalis.

  13. Tony Garcia

    Dear Enrique, fist happy new year for you and your family. Now there we go…

    “I believe that our security in Europe is top notch ”

    So do I, that’s why I believe them and not in Mr. Muslim. The same, I did believe in Halonen and not in Mr. Imam, remember?

    “But I am sorry to disappoint you, Tony.”

    Why do you think you are disappointing me? I agree with you 100%. And I can tell you more, the vast majority of this grand majority is doing an outstanding job assimilating, integrating and being a productive part of our society, just like you and I. The problem is the usual group, a minority among us, who insist in hate what we are and keep trying to either change or blast us to peaces.

    “I believe we already established by fact that Muslim terrorism is a minor problem in Europe. ”

    No we haven’t. What have been established, based on the numbers of attacks versus death, is that if separatists one day wants to be called terrorists with capital T, as Muslims are, they have a lot of catch up to do.

    But I noticed you, again, talking about the far-right. On that study you showed to us, is very clear that the far-left is far more dangerous and violent than the right, now I wonder why you didn’t talk about them? Interesting…

    “Whenever a group like Supo labels a whole group without clearly identifying the real cuplrits are…”

    They did indentify it, you just don’t want to hear…

  14. JusticeDemon

    lol@TonytheToby

    It’s rib-tickling to see you struggling to work out what you mean by a majority, and now you come up with this vast majority of this grand majority.

    TonytheToby: Brazil’s answer to Tim Nice-but-Dim

  15. Enrique

    Tony, happy new year to you as well.

    You should be careful to make statements that allude to a person. As a journalist one of the greatest dangers, or a fast ticket to court (and get ready to pay a fine), was calling somebody a huijari, or a con-man. I have the responsibility on this blog to make sure that no person’s good name is defamed. If you are going to do that here, you better have some hard evidence that will stand up in court.

  16. Tony Garcia

    “The best way to deal with fantatism is by creating oppotunities and equality in society”

    Really? So, why this didn’t work in the UK?

    “Have you many Muslim friends?”

    Good question, care to tell us how many True Finns do you have?

    • Enrique

      –“The best way to deal with fantatism is by creating oppotunities and equality in society”

      You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to understand that opportunity and inclusion are crucial if you want to make all the parts of society work. There are many examples of this in the United States, where I grew up. Take away opportunity and make society exclusive and you are going to have a lot of problems.

      When you speak of fanatics in Europe how many? Don’t you honestly believe tha the majority of people that move here want to make something out of their lives? This, in my opinion, is where the anti-immigration parties get it all wrong. You want to paint a picture that immigration is uncontrolled and that soon we will be taken over by a religious group. I think that is a lot of boloney.

  17. JusticeDemon

    lol@TonytheToby

    Once again offering a perceptive analysis of the United Kingdom based on balanced and impartial reporting of hard news by the Rupert Murdoch media sector.

    What I really want to know is whether you are genetically predisposed to such feeble-mindedness or whether this is a consequence of your privileged rich kid background.

    It’s obvious that you have no Muslim friends, you Toby. What’s less obvious is how you came to regard yourself as an authority on Muslims.

  18. Tony Garcia

    “You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to understand that opportunity and inclusion are crucial if you want to make all the parts of society work.”

    Yes, but not for Muslims, British universities are the best examples of it.

    “When you speak of fanatics in Europe how many?”

    How many was necessary to kill 3000 on 9/11?

    “This, in my opinion, is where the anti-immigration parties get it all wrong. “

    Well in my opinion this is where multiculturalists get it all wrong. One fire breathing Imam can cause a enormous destruction.

    • Enrique

      Of course 9/11 was a tragedy but the reaction (an especially yours) is out of place. Even if newspapers have the right to publish cartoons one should ask how such action promotes good ethnic relations. The sad matter is that Denmark has a major racism problem and it is a small country making matters worse for itself. The head of the Danish People’s Party (DF), Pia Kjærsgaard, suggested that Denmark should block Al Jazeera and other Arabic satellite channels because they are against Danes. This is really funny and sad. The damage xenophobia has wrought on Denmark will take generations to wipe out. The saddest matter is all this xenophobia will not improve matters for the Danes.

  19. JusticeDemon

    More tabloid trash from TonytheToby.

    Have you ever, even once referred us to a reputable news source, Toby? I mean one that doesn’t devote most of its coverage to infotainment.

    No – didn’t think so.

  20. Tony Garcia

    “Of course 9/11 was a tragedy but the reaction (an especially yours) is out of place. “

    Really? I believe the family members of the 3000 killed by Muslims in 911 + Madrid + London + Bali + etc, may have a bit different opinion. It’s ease to talk how wrong people are about Muslims when watching everything from Mikkeli.

    Talking about Mikkeli, how did the Mosque talk go? We are really waiting the know how your friends reacted when you told them that Muslims, Christians and Jews are all the same.

    “The head of the Danish People’s Party, Pia Kjærsgaard, suggested that Denmark should block Al Jazeera and other Arabic satellite channels because they are against Danes. “

    Controlled Freedom of Speech, you have advocated this here many times, but, of course, not for Muslims, isn’t?

    “The damage xenophobia has committed in Denmark will take many generations to wipe out.”

    The damage radical Islam has committed in Denmark may never be wiped out. But Finland still has time to prevent it from even start.

    • Enrique

      –Really? I believe the family members of the 3000 killed by Muslims in 911 + Madrid + London + Bali + etc, may have a bit different opinion. It’s ease to talk how wrong people are about Muslims when watching everything from Mikkeli.

      Look the other way: Baghdad, Kabul, Pakistan, Gaza, Palestine… You are never going to win a war with might. You need a political solution. Talking about the comfort of your home. It’s easy for you to talk about far-right parties in the comfort of your home in Ireland. You should come down to the real world and see how they work and help humankind to create a better world.

  21. Tony Garcia

    But Enrique you, again, strategically escaped (or tried to) from the main point.

    If Mr. Muslim from Sweden ‘had no idea’ (they never do, do they?) that his son-in-law (or whatever) is a terrorist, how can Mr. Muslim from Finland knows that there is no Somali terrorists in Finland?

    • Enrique

      –If Mr. Muslim from Sweden ‘had no idea’ (they never do, do they?) that his son-in-law (or whatever) is a terrorist, how can Mr. Muslim from Finland knows that there is no Somali terrorists in Finland?

      People don’t walk around with signs saying that I am a killer. You should know that no society is perfect and that crime and deviance always forms part of it. How much big of a deal do you want to make about a crime and how much do you want to stigmatize a whole group as a result. That is the question not if we know or not because crime always exists in our society.

  22. Tony Garcia

    “You are never going to win a war with might. You need a political solution. “

    Sorry but i believe the Jews in Auschwitz may have had a different opinion. But never let facts be on your way when defending the “right” of Muslims to be violent.

    “It’s easy for you to talk about far-right parties in the comfort of your home in Ireland. “

    I think we have already established here, based on the study you showed to us, that the far-left is far more dangerous and violent than the right.

    • Enrique

      –Sorry but i believe the Jews in Auschwitz may have had a different opinion. But never let facts be on your way when defending the “right” of Muslims to be violent.

      Even if the Nazis were blown to pieces and the crimes put on trial, there had to be a political solution to Germany. This political solution had to be accepted by the Germans not imposed fully by somebody else.

  23. JusticeDemon

    lol@TonytheToby

    But Enrique you, again, strategically escaped (or tried to) from the main point.
    If Mr. Muslim from Sweden ‘had no idea’ (they never do, do they?) that his son-in-law (or whatever) is a terrorist, how can Mr. Muslim from Finland knows that there is no Somali terrorists in Finland?

    A. In future we shall insist that you are an authority on Brazilians in Europe. Why didn’t you warn the UK police about Jean Charles de Menezes?

    B. Abridrshid Awad Dirie did not claim to know anything. How can you be so thick that you still haven’t grasped that? Show us where he said any such thing.

    I note that you still have not apologised for the defamation above, in which you falsely claimed that Abridrshid Awad Dirie had infringed section 5 of chapter 16 of the Finnish penal code (this claim constituting a prima facie offence under sections 9 and 10 of chapter 24 of the Finnish penal code) and you also characterised a population group in a manner that is evidently contrary to section 10 of chapter 11 of the Finnish penal code.

  24. Tony Garcia

    “People don’t walk around with signs saying that I am a killer. You should know that no society is perfect and that crime and deviance always forms part of it.”

    Thank you, that is exactly my point. That’s why I believe in Halonen and SUPO and don’t in Mr. Imam and Mr. Muslim. You have just debunked your entire article.

    “Even if the Nazis were blown to pieces and the crimes put on trial, there had to be a political solution to Germany.”

    Yes, and it did have, but only after they surrender.

    • Enrique

      –Yes, and it did have, but only after they surrender.

      There is a big difference, however, with what happened in Germany and what is happening in the Middle East because they are of a different religion. That is why some believe that the atom bomb was dropped on Japan as opposed to Germany because the latter were more closely related to us.

      I will make you a bet: The west will never resolve the Afghan conflict because you need a political solution there. It’s sad how countries never remember from their past mistakes or read history.

    • Enrique

      –Thank you, that is exactly my point. That’s why I believe in Halonen and SUPO and don’t in Mr. Imam and Mr. Muslim. You have just debunked your entire article.

      Wow, Tony, that a new one on me. What my point is that you cannot go treating everyone you don’t like as a potential enemy. That is the point. You have to give the benefit of the doubt. That is crucial.

  25. Tony Garcia

    “What my point is that you cannot go treating everyone you don’t like as a potential enemy.”

    No, your point was that SUPO was wrong about terrorists in Finland because Mr. Muslim said there is none. So, yes, this article is debunked.

  26. Tony Garcia

    “I will make you a bet: The west will never resolve the Afghan conflict ”

    And I won’t take it because I’ll lose. Of course we won’t resolve it. That bunch of fanatic lunatics will live in the middle age, killing each others, forever. That’s where Bush got it all wrong, he tried to appease the left and got US into this mess.

    Nation building and spread of democracy only work with civilized people under evil ruling like 1945 Germany or Japan. It won’t ever work with those crazy.

    He should have done to Afghanistan and Iraq what Bolton said Israel will eventually do to Iran – fly in, cluster bomb the place back to the stone age, and fly out. If they regroup, do it again.

    • Enrique

      Thank you xyz for the video clips. It is incredible how we forget our history. Washington wants to forget it because of what it did in putting the Shah in power. Back in the 1950s the United States interfered in so many countries. Latin America was one region that saw its development stifled due to US intervention.

      The video clip on Afghanistan was also interesting to watch. There is one part that stuck out: All those from Alexander the Great (336-323 BC) have failed to conquer Afghanistan. There was also an interesting comment about the US’ possible support to the Taliban in order to get gas and oil piped from Central Asia to Pakistan. Politics does make strange bedfellows.

  27. JusticeDemon

    Tony the Toby is obstinately sticking to a view that has been definitively refuted. There is no reasoning with this kind of flat earthist, but we can all enjoy the free entertainment. How thick can he get? We don’t know, but believe me – we intend to find out.

    Ricky, haven’t you heard that Afghanistan is the place where empires go to die?

  28. Tiwaz

    -“Even though terrorism in any form or shape should be forcefully condemned by a society like ours, we should likewise not accept on face value statements of possible threats by agencies like Supo. If such affirmations are made, they should take into account the adverse impact on public opinion.”

    But when media makes anonymous, off the street “study” by asking immigrants, Somali to be precise, if they are victims of racism this MUST be taken as The One Holy Truth and damn any public impact of accusing Finns without evidence?

    -“Why didn’t Supo state that the overwhelming amount of Somalis that live in Finland are law-abiding residents and citizens of this country?”

    Why it should? Supo is not agency for upholding stupidity of political correctness, but concerns itself with security of Finland. If Somali population has notable terrorist movement within, Supo would be failing to do it’s duty if they did not report it.

    What would be better? That some disgruntled Somali committed terrorist attack and Supo comes afterwards into public “Oh yeah, we knew about this stuff before. But did not want to come out for sake of political correctness”.

    I actually rather hope they had done that, it would have killed whole concept of PC instantly.

    -“Everyone who has had the opportunity to know Somalis will agree that some of them are the most eager to integrate into Finnish society.”

    Good for them. What do you expect? Medals handed to them all?

    -“Our denial and inability to come to terms with our racism towards this group is a major obstacle.”
    Finally you admit that you are racist.

    What REALLY is biggest obstacle for those people is that they do not have skills.
    Somalian educational level is abysmal. Add to this that they have no language skills and we see why they fail.

    They cannot communicate in Finnish, which is essential for any low grade job.
    Nor they have education to strive for anything else. It is not fault of Finland that we do not have shelter jobs for those who cannot get a real one.

    -“This kind of news does nobody any good and it just adds fuel to the fire of those who wish to scaremonger and create an atmosphere of fear. I don’t know the source or the article in question so I cant comment directly on that.”

    And hiding truth would benefit us how? Specially if it would force itself out into the open anyway…

    -“I guess my point relates to a bigger more subliminal message that can be easily created. Nobody wants terrorism (unless you are a freedom fighter yourself that is…) but if you start pointing the finger at a certain group without real evidence to back it up then that hole group is labeled.”

    And your grounds for saying Supo has no real evidence is?

    -“What is worse is that it builds on mistrust, ignorance and fear. I bet most people who fear this threat couldn’t even point out Somalia on a map!”

    Right there on the eastern edge of Africa, below Arabian peninsula in region called “Horn of Africa”.

    Now, can you give guarantee that Somali community in Finland has no terrorist connections?

    -“There was another story recently in YLE talking about that 9% of crimes in Finland are committed by foreigners. I found this funny. What good does this do for anybody? Now the story goes on to say more but the fact is the headline says it all. ”

    It tells us that group who represent 2,5% of population are overshooting their statistical “quota” of crime over threefold.

    It tells that we need to take head out from sand and start taking action to correct this.

    Again, what good it would do to anyone to hide truth like this? Now that it is out in the open, there is starting point to correct the issue.

    • Enrique

      I should thank all of you. Without any of you we could never have seen Migrant Tales grow into a humble yet faithful voice of the immigrant and minority community.

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