Ilta-Sanomat: SDP tahtoo Halla-ahon eroa

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Comment: As Migrant Tales correctly predicted in a blog entry Saturday, one of the political casualties of the PS after Norway is none other than Perussuomalaiset (PS) MP Jussi Halla-aho. Social Democratic Party  secretary Mikael Junger was quoted as saying on tabloid Ilta-Sanomat that he wants Halla-aho to resign as chairman of the administration committee, whose responsibilities include among other matters immigration policy.

Halla-aho’s position as chairman of the administration committee has become untenable after Norwegian mass killer Anders Behring Breivik cited him and other anti-Islam Counter-Jihadists in his 1,500-odd page manifesto.

Junger said that the SDP will discuss Halla-aho’s role on the administration committee in mid-August after the summer break.  “It would be good before that that Halla-aho considers his (future) role (on the committee),” he said.

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Sdp aikoo kyseenalaistaa perussuomalaisten kansanedustaja Jussi Halla-Ahon aseman eduskunnan hallintovaliokunnan puheenjohtajana. Asiasta kertoo Ilta-Sanomat.

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  1. Mika

    If Jussi Halla-aho is asked to resign because Anders Behring Breivik was against Islam but from the right wing.
    Then surely SDP should also be asked resign because pim fortuny was also against Islam but from the left wing.

    And is not being against Islam a theology issue not a political one?
    Of course he killed people from a political party ,but he was motivated by a theology issue rather than a political one so why then why have not KD 4% have been asked to explain themselves also because after all he was a christian fundamentalist?

  2. JusticeDemon

    Mika

    …surely SDP should also be asked resign because pim fortuny was also against Islam but from the left wing.

    I assume you mean Pim Fortuyn, but if so, then how do you work out that he was left wing? He resigned from the Dutch Labour Party and ran against them for Leefbaar Nederland and LPF. His assassin, Volkert van der Graaf, was an environmental activist. There is no evidence that Fortuyn or vd Graaf were ever motivated by anything written by Finnish SDP members (or by KD members).

    Breivik explicitly and approvingly references Halla-aho at two points in his 1500-page diatribe and covers much of the same ground as Halla-aho. There can hardly be any question that they are ideologically aligned.

    What happened to your policy of talking affectionately about your friend Anders? Lovers’ spat?

  3. Mika

    It does not matter about the parties he was member of or was not he was from from the left way of thinking . Even before what happened in Norway Enrique said the same thing that anti immigration views are not now the views which just come from the more far right wing but all across political parties .Which proves that anti Islam views do not just come form the far right which we told at this moment. Pim stood against left parties because they where epidermic with political correctness and where not willing to address the issues like Islam in Holland .

    Also you can not be against Islam and be from the right if you are gay. Because we are told that any one who is against immigration or against Islam who is a supporter from the far right is also homophobic. And as Pim was gay his views he can not be from the right can they?
    so where are his views coming from?

    And if Anders is christian fundamentalist then surely a poltical party which has similar views should be also asked about their position of their views . Because both PS and KD views are moderate but only PS have been put on the spot because they are focusing on his political motivation and not the theology side of his actions. If KD where a larger party and not a minor one then would they also be now under the searchlight which PS now find themselves under?

    So if a person who supports multiculturalism guns down PS supporters and writes a manifesto which mentions quotes from you are you willing to loss any positions because of your quotes?
    If not then why are saying that Jussi Halla-aho should?

    This is why I said you are no good at the political game you play Russian roulette with five bullets where I play with just the one.

    • Enrique

      –So if a person who supports multiculturalism guns down PS supporters and writes a manifesto which mentions quotes from you are you willing to loss any positions because of your quotes?

      Mika, the left and the right are two different worlds with different values. I take responsiblity for what I write – that is why I sign my name on everything that I publish.

    • Enrique

      –If not then why are saying that Jussi Halla-aho should?

      Here are some good reasons why:

      “The fact that Breivik chose the internet to disseminate his ideology is important. His journey to terrorism was forged within a network of blogs where violence is glorified and multiculturalism despised, along with those who embrace it.” Mark Townsend in Oslo and Ian Traynor in Brussels

      Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jul/30/norway-attacks-anders-behring-breivik

      Even if Breivik carries all the signs of a psychopath, Adam Boniecki asks how does the political climate and debate in the media stimulate the psychopath’s behavior? Boniecki answers this question by stating that the killer prescribed the “wisdom” of those that wrote on this hate websites like on the Gates of Vienna. “Words are not innocent,” he writes. “Through words in human history a lot of good and terrible things have emerged.”

      Source: tygodnik.onet.pl: Psychopaci są wśród nas

      “Marc Sageman, a former C.I.A. officer and a consultant on terrorism, said it would be unfair to attribute Mr. Breivik’s violence to the writers who helped shape his world view. But at the same time, he said the counterjihad writers do argue that the fundamentalist Salafi branch of Islam “is the infrastructure from which Al Qaeda emerged. Well, they and their writings are the infrastructure from which Breivik emerged.” Scott Shane

      Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/25/us/25debate.html?_r=3&pagewanted=1

      Take a look at the Nazi regime under Hitler. Thing about the stuff that was printed back then and how it inspired so much hatred and death in Europe. Words have the power to move mountains.

  4. Mika

    Mika, the left and the right are two different worlds with different values. I take responsiblity for what I write – that is why I sign my name on everything that I publish.

    But should you take responsibly if someone uses them for a criminal act?

    The issue is is not what or who writes from which view points it is should you take esponsibility if someone uses your word for their own deeds.
    Unless his blog is deemed offensive by law and shut down and he is put in jail he does not need to consider that he needs to leave his position. Its for a judge to decided what is offensive not someones view point to dictate how things are going to happen

    You mentioned that this may split PS in half . As this not about what he writes but a pure act of political motivation its the party they are going after not him, don’t you think that other PS members will support him and it will increase the support from outside of the party?.
    To go after a nationalist pro Finnish party is not a good idea especially when we just had a election where voters voted for PS simply because they have had enough of the former big three and yet it seems two of theses parties are going after PS
    (Are theses political parties stupid or something) .

    • Enrique

      –But should you take responsibly if someone uses them for a criminal act?

      If my words incite hatred then there is a strong chance that I am morally responsible for what happened. Soini is a politician and he will keep Halla-aho and his bunch as long as they don’t become a political liability. The elections happened three-and-a-half months ago and think what the PS’ victory in April has brought: it has polarized society and undermined our unity as a nation. What does that? In my opinion it is again the language they use to make their points.

      Tell me, Mika, frankly with hand over heart: Is there nothing wrong with what Halla-aho, Hirvisaari in this group says? What about one entry on Facebook by Halla-aho on July 24: “Many Finns who didn’t reach an orgasm when it wasn’t a Hommaforum (follower) that did not burn the pizzeria in Tampere, are now demanding payback time with interest. For you information I do not take back anything that I’ve written and do not take any responsiblity for what Breivik did; I plan to continue along the same path because bad immigration is bad and multiculturalism sucks ass irrespective of what Breivik did.”

    • Enrique

      –Just one more thing to add to your question, “but should you take responsibly if someone uses them for a criminal act?”

      Isn’t that the definition of hate speech?

  5. JusticeDemon

    Mika
    You are remarkably loquacious for someone who signed off in a huff of feigned offence when I refuted your position a couple of days ago. This is now the same thing again. Neither Fortuyn nor vd Graaf was inspired by the Finnish SDP or KD in any way. Breivik was evidently inspired by Halla-aho and shared his ideology. The parallel that you are trying to make simply doesn’t get started. End of. Checkmate. Position busted.

  6. Mika

    If you read how misinformed the media and web sites are they still hold the opinion that Anders was right wing because of he views .
    Ok he was, but even if they did not know at the time they still would automatically think he was Pim Fortuyn was the proof that being anti immigration is not a political issue anymore but more a social one. And anyone who is still holding that belief that to be anti immigration you have to be right wing. Is following a view which became obsolete nearly a decade ago.

    So it should be:
    Anders behring breivika follower of right wing politics who was motivated by the social issue of immigration

    If Anders was inspired by Hallo Aho as much as you as you think or want to think why then has he not be arrested on the request of Norway of maybe being involved in what happened in Norway?
    The reason is, even though he was mentioned in the manifesto there is no reason why the police in Norway or Finland think that he should be questioned about what took place in Norway. That fact he has not been arrested shows the police and justice system do think he was not responsible in any way for the events which took place in Norway.
    He is in the eyes of the law as much innocent in all this as you and I .

    I understand you want desperately to believe that Hallo Aho was some how involved, but at the moment the police hold a different opinion to yours. If you are so sure that he was then why have you not connected the police with the information you seem to hold that no one else has?

  7. Mika

    Just one more thing to add to your question, “but should you take responsibly if someone uses them for a criminal act?”
    Isn’t that the definition of hate speech?

    I think the issue you have with hallo-aho and hooma and which you are having hard to understand is if that they and him are what you think they are why is hallo-aho walking the streets and hooma is not shut down. Your main issue is not with theses people or group, it is the judicial system who have a weaker view of what you have on the issue of “Hate speech” .You can attack hooma as much as you like but unless the laws change.Then hooma in its current form will just keep carrying as normal,

  8. Hannu

    Enrique when you take responsibily of assault instead of asking “are you pulling my leg”?
    I talk about this event.

    Tuntematon miesjoukko pieksi nuorukaisen
    Sunnuntai 16.5.2010 klo 16.28
    Kuopiossa Valkeisen lammen rannalla sattuneet pahoinpitelyt saivat lauantaina jatkoa.

    Poliisi sai jälleen selvitettäväkseen tuntemattomaan uhriin kohdistuneen pahoinpitelyn. Tapaus oli Kuopiossa viikonlopun aikana jo neljäs.

    Nuori mies oli ollut viettämässä iltaa Valkeisen lammen rannalla, kun hänen luokseen oli tullut tummaihoinen mies ja väittänyt kuulleensa rasistista puhetta. Pian paikalle saapui tumman miehen viisi kaveria, jotka kävivät nuorukaiseen käsiksi ja kaatoivat hänet maahan. Kaikki kuusi miestä olivat alkaneet potkia maassa makaavaa.

    Nuorukainen ei tuntenut pahoinpitelijöitään entuudestaan.

    Kaikeksi onneksi vammat jäivät lieviksi, eikä uhri tarvinnut sairaalahoitoa. Poliisi jatkaa tapauksen tutkintaa.

    This event is totally in your responsibility because you talked how racism cannot be tolerated and there should be swift and total telling that there is no space for racism in society.
    If its not then….

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