Halla-aho should resign as chairman of the administration committee of parliament

by , under Enrique

In light of the Finnish Supreme Court (KKO) sentence on Friday fining Perussuomalaiset (PS) MP Jussi Halla-aho for defaming a religion and incitement against an ethnic group, the next step that the PS MP should take is to resign as chairman of the administration committee of parliament.  

PS  head Timo Soini was quoted as saying on YLE in English that it was up to the members of the administration committee to decide whether Halla-aho could remain as chairman.

The only party that has so far asked Halla-aho to resign is the Left Alliance.

Being fined for defaming a religion and incitement of an ethnic group should be enough grounds to show Halla-aho the door.

The greatest damage the PS has done to Finland after winning its historic election victory in 2011 is to the credibility of an institution like parliament.  Leaving Halla-aho to continue as chairman of the administration committee would be a further blow to credibility.

Social Democratic presidential candidate Paavo Lipponen said last year that clear boundaries should be drawn between democracy and those that believe in far-right ideology.  Our political leaders in parliament now have that opportunity to show leadership.

The sentence by the Supreme Court is an important precedent since it sets clear lines on what is unacceptable hate speech by unscrupulous politicians.

Criminal Law Professor Terttu Utrianen said the KKO sentence was a good one, since it reinforces our European way of life, which hinges on social equality and multiculturalism.

Soini was quoted as saying on YLE in English that the PS does not  intend to take any action following the ruling, since it was sufficient punishment for Halla-aho.

The PS MP said he may appeal the decision to the European Court of Human Rights.

Writes JusticeDemon of Migrant Tales: “A cynic might suggest that this newly discovered interest in defending human dignity as an end in itself comes at a rather convenient time [for Halla-aho]…”

 

  1. jennins

    why do you think Halla-aho should resign?

    Did not his voters vote him in with the knowledge they had about this incident in 2008, 3 years before elections?

    Or could it be argued that his voters were as equally unaware of the stand on defamations and incitments as he was himself?

    Please elaborate.

    • Mark

      Jennine

      So now you are saying the law is so obscure that he didn’t even know he was breaking the law. Do you racists really have no conscience lying to people like this?

      You must be aware that the blog post in which he made these remarks was titled along the lines of ‘bait for the prosecutor’. Allah-Oho was well aware of the law, and was merely protesting that he couldn’t more openly express his hate speech. Everything else was a ruse, including the nonsense about Finns and murder.

      Even a ten year old could tell you that Allah-Oho is famous for writing negatively about immigrants, not for writing about free speech issues or for defending the reputations of Finns.

      Again and again this slime ball, like you, tries to wriggle out of the legal consequences of his obviously bigoted writings.

    • JusticeDemon

      The article concerns the credibility of the convicted racist criminal Halal–höpö as Chairman of the Administration Committee of the Finnish Parliament. This is something for Parliament to decide. If you had paid attention in your school civics class, then you would know that this has nothing to do with the general electorate.

      The public trust issues involved in this particular type of crime were discussed recently in relation to another convicted racist criminal who was recently appointed to serve as a lay judge at the District Court of Turku. The key problem is that, by definition, we cannot rely on the impartiality of a person who is prejudiced.

  2. Kauko

    Jennine

    So now you are saying the law is so obscure that he didn’t even know he was breaking the law. Do you racists really have no conscience lying to people like this?

    You must be aware that the blog post in which he made these remarks was titled along the lines of ‘bait for the prosecutor’. Allah-Oho was well aware of the law, and was merely protesting that he couldn’t more openly express his hate speech. Everything else was a ruse, including the nonsense about Finns and murder.

    Even a ten year old could tell you that Allah-Oho is famous for writing negatively about immigrants, not for writing about free speech issues or for defending the reputations of Finns.

    Again and again this slime ball, like you, tries to wriggle out of the legal consequences of his obviously bigoted writings.

    Olet väärässä Mark. Katselin Halla-ahon ensimmäisiä kirjoituksia vuodesta 2003. Ei blogissa käsitellä pääsäntöisesti maahanmuuttajia vaan maahanmuuttoa ja maahanmuuttpolitiikka.

    Siinä on olennainen ero.

    • Enrique Tessieri

      –Olet väärässä Mark. Katselin Halla-ahon ensimmäisiä kirjoituksia vuodesta 2003. Ei blogissa käsitellä pääsäntöisesti maahanmuuttajia vaan maahanmuuttoa ja maahanmuuttpolitiikka.

      Placing the blame on immigration policy is an old ploy used by anti-immigration groups. Nothing new here. They are saying the same thing: multiculturalism (immigration policy) is bad because it lets in too many non-Europeans, especially Africans and Muslims.

      That’s the real message behind the immigration policy.

      Why can’t people like Halla-aho say what they really mean? Because it would be outrageous and unacceptable. What they are against is cultural diversity. Why? Because they have ery exclusive and racist views.

    • JusticeDemon

      Ei blogissa käsitellä pääsäntöisesti maahanmuuttajia vaan maahanmuuttoa ja maahanmuuttpolitiikka.

      Siinä on olennainen ero.

      This is a crock of shit and you know it. There is no evidence that the convicted racist criminal Halal–höpö and his cronies have even read the Aliens Act, which is the key legal instrument expressing Finnish immigration policy. They had no positive proposals to offer on how this key legislation could be amended, and when they did finally get round to discussing immigration law at the last election, their suggestions only indicated that they had no idea of the existing content of the law.

      Their election propaganda was pure bluff: recommending “changes” that the Act already contained in the hope that the electorate would be even more ignorant than they were. Then a couple of days before the election Timo Soini announced that the PS agreed with current government policy on immigration.

      All of the talk about an interest in immigration and immigration policy was obviously just a smokescreen for mobilising the racist vote, as is entirely evident from even a brief examination of the online cesspools where their supporters gather.

    • JusticeDemon

      In any case the convicted racist criminal Halal–höpö has made his racist mentality known at various times in unguarded moments.

      There is no question where he is coming from, or what his views have been from an early age.

  3. Kauko

    Tessieri, onko sun mielestä Suomella hyvä ja onnistunut maahanmuuttopolitiikka? Vai mättääkö jossain muualla?

    • Enrique Tessieri

      Kauko, JusticeDemon vastasi sinun kysymyksesi.

      Yksi kysymys sinulle: Mitä on mielestäsi epäonnistunut maahanmuuttopolitiikassa?

  4. Kauko

    Kauko, JusticeDemon vastasi sinun kysymyksesi.

    Yksi kysymys sinulle: Mitä on mielestäsi epäonnistunut maahanmuuttopolitiikassa?

    suurin reikä on tässä, perheenyhdistämispolitiikka. Halla-aho sanoo joka on aika lailla ristiriidassa Tessierin väitteiden kanssa.

    “Todettakoon, etten vastusta sellaisen somalin perheenyhdistämistä, joka elättää itsensä, ja jonka perheenjäsenkään ei asetu sosiaalihuollon ja Kelan vakioasiakkaaksi. Vastaavasti vastustan mitä tahansa etnistä ryhmää edustavan perheenyhdistämistä, jos perheenjäsen aikoo toimia edellä kuvatulla tavalla.”[54]

    Ja sit on merkittävä osa maahanmuuttajia jotka eivät halua olla osa yhteiskuntaa. Rinnakkais-yhteiskuntia ja ghettoja, ei kiitos.

    • Enrique Tessieri

      –suurin reikä on tässä, perheenyhdistämispolitiikka. Halla-aho sanoo joka on aika lailla ristiriidassa Tessierin väitteiden kanssa.

      Your response is what I said: You are against certain types of immigrants coming to Finland. Now explain this phenomenon in the ninetenth century: Why did the Finns that emigrated to the United States have the right to bring their relatives and even their friends to their new homeland? Why was this important for them and for their community?

      If you have read Migrant Tales, Finland has made family reunification very difficult. Check out this link: http://www.migranttales.net/the-long-and-costly-ordeal-of-family-reunification-from-somalia-to-finland/

      In your book, that would mean “effective immigration policy.”

    • JusticeDemon

      Todettakoon, etten vastusta sellaisen somalin perheenyhdistämistä, joka elättää itsensä

      And there is the racism – right there. Why single out one ethnic group when the policy applies in precisely the same way to all family reunification in Finland? Where is the fundamental difference between reunification of a Somali parent and child in Finland and reunification of a Finnish redneck farmhand with a mail-order bride from Thailand, or of some unemployable Finnish urban youth with a boy or girlfriend from the USA?

      This type of “policy discussion” is not about policy at all. It merely reflects the mentality of the convicted racist criminal Halal–höpö and his cronies.

  5. Kauko

    –suurin reikä on tässä, perheenyhdistämispolitiikka. Halla-aho sanoo joka on aika lailla ristiriidassa Tessierin väitteiden kanssa.

    Your response is what I said: You are against certain types of immigrants coming to Finland. Now explain this phenomenon in the ninetenth century: Why did the Finns that emigrated to the United States have the right to bring their relatives and even their friends to their new homeland? Why was this important for them and for their community?

    If you have read Migrant Tales, Finland has made family reunification very difficult. Check out this link: http://www.migranttales.net/the-long-and-costly-ordeal-of-family-reunification-from-somalia-to-finland/

    In your book, that would mean “effective immigration policy.”

    puhumme Suomesta

  6. Kauko

    suurin reikä on tässä, perheenyhdistämispolitiikka. Halla-aho sanoo joka on aika lailla ristiriidassa Tessierin väitteiden kanssa.

    “Todettakoon, etten vastusta sellaisen somalin perheenyhdistämistä, joka elättää itsensä, ja jonka perheenjäsenkään ei asetu sosiaalihuollon ja Kelan vakioasiakkaaksi. Vastaavasti vastustan mitä tahansa etnistä ryhmää edustavan perheenyhdistämistä, jos perheenjäsen aikoo toimia edellä kuvatulla tavalla.”[54]

    Ja sit on merkittävä osa maahanmuuttajia jotka eivät halua olla osa yhteiskuntaa. Rinnakkais-yhteiskuntia ja ghettoja, ei kiitos.

    En oikein ymmärrä teitä.

    Pitäisikö Suomen tavoitteena olla se että, rekrytoi työttömiä kela-asiakkaita Somaliasta, Vietnamista ja Guineasta perheenyhdistämisen kautta?

    Kaikki perheet tänne veronmaksajien piikkiinkö?

    Jos somalit haluavat perheensä tänne, eix silloin ole loogista että, Somalit itse hankkivat ansiotyötä ja huolehtivat finanssesista?

    http://www.mol.fi on täynnä avoimia vakansseja

    • JusticeDemon

      So this policy proposal should equally apply to the mail-order brides of unemployed Finnish farm labourers and to the Canadian spouses of Finnish university students? Or the non-Finnish family members of Finnish returnees?

      Or is that sort of basic policy consistency likely to offset the gains made by appealing to the racist vote?

      Again, you are focusing on Somalis even though Russian speakers are the largest immigrant group in Finland. This is merely the propaganda strategy of the convicted racist criminal Halal–höpö.

  7. Kauko

    Jyrki Katainen sanoi 2008 että, Suomi tarvitsee 1,8 miljoonaa maahanmuuttajaa vuoteen 2018 mennessä jotta optimaalinen huoltosuhde (työssäkäyvien ja ei-työssäkäyvien välinen suhde) säilyy.

    Helppo yhtyä tohon. Jos maahanmuuttajien työllisyys säilyy niin alhaisena kun se on ollut viimeiset kymmenen vuotta niin vuonna 2018 tullaan tarvitsemaan IMF:n rahoitusta.

    Näin se vaan on.

    • JusticeDemon

      Logic really isn’t your strong suit, is it Kauko?

      Your comment is on a par with observing that a desert needs a million gallons of rainfall annually to become fertile, but if it then stays as dry as it has been for the last decade, then it will still need artificial irrigation.

      Your argument begins with the premise “if we make changes and change nothing”. Absolutely every conclusion can follow from this self-contradictory assertion.

  8. Kauko

    So this policy proposal should equally apply to the mail-order brides of unemployed Finnish farm labourers and to the Canadian spouses of Finnish university students? Or the non-Finnish family members of Finnish returnees?

    Or is that sort of basic policy consistency likely to offset the gains made by appealing to the racist vote?

    Again, you are focusing on Somalis even though Russian speakers are the largest immigrant group in Finland. This is merely the propaganda strategy of the convicted racist criminal Halal–höpö.

    Jos sinä justice tarjoaisit jotain välillä. En puhunut maahanmuuttajien vaimoista, siskoista jne vaan MAAHANMUUTTAJASTA.

    Ero taitaa olla siinä että tohmajärveläinen maajussi tekee TÖITÄ jotta hän saa vaimokkeensa venäjältä tänne ja pystyy samalla elättämään häntä.

  9. JusticeDemon

    Jos sinä justice tarjoaisit jotain välillä. En puhunut maahanmuuttajien vaimoista, siskoista jne vaan MAAHANMUUTTAJASTA.

    “I wasn’t talking about the wives, sisters etc. of immigrants, but of IMMIGRANT.”

    LoL. Your sentence is incoherent bollocks, and remains so even when you shout it.

    Ero taitaa olla siinä että tohmajärveläinen maajussi tekee TÖITÄ jotta hän saa vaimokkeensa venäjältä tänne ja pystyy samalla elättämään häntä.

    Again you are lecturing us about the contents of your own fantasy world and displaying your ignorance of Finnish immigration law.

    Current policy in Finland places no economic constraints whatsoever on immigration by the mail-order brides of Finnish citizens. If you advocate economic constraints, then you must equally advocate them for many of the pig-ignorant PS voters who put the likes of Teuvo Hakkarainen into Parliament.

    • JusticeDemon

      This question has an obvious false premise. If Finland had a dictator, then the choice of immigration policy would be the least urgent of its policy problems.

      Only fascists entertain these “what would you do if you had absolute power” fantasies.

      Immigration should be the outcome of an immigration policy determined by the elected representatives of a free and equal populace acting in the higher interests of humanity, as outlined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. It should not be the outcome of a selfish and divisive ethic that denies human dignity and regards violence as the primary mode of social organisation.

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